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The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 4:31pm

I have a bunch of stuff I uploaded to Image Shack that didn't involve BB/Rae that I was going to post somewhere, but since everything got screwed up I can't remember where exactly.

Sin I took the time to scan the stuff, I figured I'd create a thread for all comic related Titans stuff, from artist's sketches to actually panels and cells.

1) Rose Wilson as she "falls to the dark side," so to speak, is Rose Wilson, Slade's illegitimate daughter and last surviving child (though Jericho is still alive, he's currently a 250 MB file on a diskette... yeah, go read the "Raven's Back" arc to understand that one). The guy in the chair that is about to have a really bad day is Slade's half brother and the (soon to be former) Ravager:

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2) Slade winning father of the yearas we discover that he was the one who hired his half-brother to kill Rose's legal gaurdians in so that SLade couldstep in and convince Rose to become his new ally and apprentice. I also wanted to show more shots of maskless Slade. On other note, Slade's white hair isn't from age, it's natural. Same with Rose if you haven't noticed. His smile just screams "I am such a pimp."

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3) Krypto the superdog is indeed in the Titans, sorta of. Superman gave him to Superboy to teach him some responsibility. I do believe that Krypto will be the next Titan to turn evil and attempt to destory the team!

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4) Krypto again.

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5) Following from what occurs above, Krypto starts tearing up Starfire's garden (it contains plants from Tamaran). It's all she has left of her homeworld and she treasures it more than most other things. Superboy just crapped his pants at this point.

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More later, some of the older stuff too, including the first time Beastboy kills someone.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jun 16, 2005, 5:02pm

Can you repost the BB/Rae-related comic images that you've accumulated so far? Since Proboards has destroyed that as well, I think it would be a fair thing to post either here or in the main thread for, uh, "reference" purposes.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 5:08pm

Yeah I'll get on it, I'll just dump everyhting I've collected so far hear.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 5:21pm

In the meantime, the first time BB ever kills someone, Madame Rouge:

1) This demonstrates that Beastboy has the ability to become creatures that don't even exist just by imagining them, though he tends to only do it when he's so angry he can't control himself.

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2) Madame Rouge bites it.

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3) Not wanting to fail anyone else, Beastboy rushes to tell everyone, including their enemies, to get their butts off the floating island before it blows.

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Also for all those who wonder, Beastboy's costume is actually the standard Doom Patrol uniform. His adopted mother, Rita Farr, wore the same red and white outfit. Geoff John's current series is the first time he changes it, in a way signifying that he has begun to move on in his life a little.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 5:22pm

DP.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by locad on Jun 16, 2005, 5:25pm

thank you for posting that Part

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 16, 2005, 5:47pm

Aw... :'(

Why can't they have stuff liek this in the show?

BTW, BB's new Comic uniform is teh_Sexah! ^.^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 16, 2005, 5:50pm

I think there should be an episode where Robin, Raven, Cyborg, and Starfire get kidnapped... then Beast Boy, gets misinformed by some villain.. that the said villain killed them. Beast Boy will believe he was once again responsible for their deaths because he wasn't there.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jun 16, 2005, 5:56pm

Quote:

BTW, BB's new Comic uniform is teh_Sexah! ^.^

*sniff* *sniff*

And I STILL need someone to do my illo for me.... animated BB & Rae wearing their current comic book outfits....

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 6:01pm

Some OLD BB/Rae "moments," I mean not really because the real romance didn't start till Geoff Johns came into the picture, BUT he could always refer back to things like these two:

1) I've posted this one before. THe TItans are seperated after a space battle (yeah it sounds like Stranded doesn't it). So Dick Grayson, Jericho, and Cyborg need rescuing. It's agreed that Beastboy is the only one who could pull off finding them since he can just disguise himself as one of the green alien creatures. His bravery for accepting a literal suicide mission is rewarded with kisses from Donna Troy and Starfire, and some of Raven's Empathic Reinforcement.

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2) This one is new. For some background, Beastboy gets killed by Slade (he tried to fight Slade one one one, and this was way before Terra ever came into the picture). They preserve his body and bring it to Amazonia (Wonder Woman's home island) where they're going to save him. Only when he awakes he's gone a little crazy from the experience. Raven goes ahead and saves him.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jun 16, 2005, 6:07pm

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Some OLD BB/Rae "moments," I mean not really because the real romance didn't start till Geoff Johns came into the picture, BUT he could always refer back to things like these two:

I'm wondering if, since Wolfman & Perez are doing a New Teen Titans graphic novel set during their era, and since Wolfman & Johns are apparently good friends, there might be a little bit of retconning (retro-active continuity) concerning that in the graphic novel. Probably a little too much to hope for, but still....

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 6:22pm

Hey, ya never know. Some more if you will.

1) Some proof that Starfire and Tamaranians evolved from felines. THe TItans are thrown in a pool of... stuff... that brings them back down the evolutionary chain (BB is off chasing Rouge at this point). Starfire of course starts becoming a literal cat girl.

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2) Some more Slade, at Wintergreen's grave with Rose.

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3) A look into the mind of Raven.

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4) This is new, it's form the Phil Jimeniz days. This is from the Death of Donna Troy. Beastboy is alone in a room, away from the other guests looking at some old pictures. The last is his Hollywood mugshot that he had given Donna. I know I keep posting alot of tragic Beastboy stuff, so I'll get some lighter moments up soon. Of course in this issue, everyone is mourning (even some Batman/Wonder Woman stuff), so he's not the only one acting upset.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 16, 2005, 6:26pm

I really hope that sor of thing gets addressed in the show.

But maybe they're going by tragic stories. Robin has the least tragic. Terra is next because they didn't really go into her story. Cy next because of his accident. Starfire would have been here, but I guess they can't address slavery on a kids' show. Then Raven, more because her furture is dark. And finally Beast Boy. ^_^

Or not. Just grasping at straws here...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 16, 2005, 6:46pm

I don't think they'd be afraid to attack slavery head on. And even if they were, they could always find a way to sidestep it. Like they did with Overdrive about drugs.

I, for some reason, don't know why attacking racism, drugs, or slavery head on on a kids show is too much for kids... but then again, I used to be an insane mofo when I was young... and I babysit bloodthirsty little demons who loved Birthmark...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 7:17pm

Now for some lighter stuff. I also wanted to post something with Questor in it. Questor was one of my favorite supporting characters. He was Steve Dayton's Business Manager, but was almost always at Dayton's mansion. Beastboy and him were always at each other's throat. Beastboy would annoy him, and Questor would delite in seeing Beastboy get in trouble. Occassionally however, they would surpirse each other and actually be friendly towards one another. THis is one case of that, it's from the wedding of Donna Troy. Gar offers to have the wedding at Dayton's estate and is the party's host. In the end, everything goes perfectly and everyone congrutulates him. This is probably one of the few super hero weddings that doesn't get interrupted.

1) BB Setting up.

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2) Questor thinks BB screwed up, but to his surprise he actually had a good idea and is pleased by Gar's clever thinking.

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3) My favorite Questor moment.

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4) Beastboy is rewarded for all of his hard work. The girl with pink hair is one of his girlfriends, (probably) the only one that they ever showed who WAS NOT a super hero, Jillian Jackson. Eventually she gets scared away by the ressurrected Terra, though BB never finds out from what I know. Jillian was the only one in grammar school that didn't make fun of Gar for having Green skin.

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5) And just for the hell of it, a Batman/Wonder Woman moment from the "Death of Donna Troy."

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 16, 2005, 7:37pm

Those were some cool... things. That was one helluva wedding he put on.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 8:04pm

If I could I'd post the whole thing, then you'd see how far he really went.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by mint on Jun 16, 2005, 8:15pm

Keep posting. KEEP POSTING.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 8:55pm

I will. I WILL!

Here is the repost of the BB/Rae relationship map from the comics:

1. Beastboy to the rescue!

2. Part One of the lead up to the hug, as Beastboy is healed by Raven.

3. Part Two leading up to their first hug. Also, Raven mentions that she was able to feel Beastboy from a great distance because of his self-concious nature.

4. The first hug. "Oh Garfield, why am I the way I am?"

3. Beastboy enters Brother Blood's intestines to retrieve Raven's chakra.

4. Beastboy convinces Raven to stay with the Titans and to stop thinking that she can only come to them when she needs help.

5. The most famous hug of the two. Gotta love this one. "I think... it is perfect."

6. Raven hitting on Beastboy after curing him of poison. I love this one, her expression says it all.

7. Beastboy hitting on Raven a little. Now, there is something I didn't pick up on before that someone pointed out to me. See, Beastboy has come to Raven's room to ask if she wants to come to the movies with him. He makes the offer to Cassie as well, but since it is Raven's room he meant to ask her first, and Cassie was just there. Now the only reason I would read it like that is because of all the other evidence. If this was the ONLY moment between them, I'd say that that opinion was bunk, but since there is somethign going on here... I think it makes sense. Looks like it could've been there first date of sorts. Too bad she overreacts and throws him out of the room.

8. Part 2 of the above. Not a moment, but it does show that Raven is insecure and a bit immature.

9. Confirmation that Beastboy rejected Terra when she tried to get back together with him.

10. Raven calls out to Beastboy to hurry. Why is this a moment? Only because of all the other moments yet again. In a comeic, you only get so many pages and only so much room to write anything. The question is: Why have Beastboy about to miss the way back to the past at all? Why is Raven the one yelling out to him? Either one of them could have been replaced with any other Titan. Superboy could have been the one lagging behind. Cyborg could have been calling out to Beastboy. Since this is a comic and space needs to be used wisely, I submit this as a moment since it seems otherwise unnecessary. But again, only because of all the other moments, otherwise it wouldn't mean anything.

11. Raven gets blasted by Superboy, and Beastboy is the only who seems to care. Also, his is the first name she calls out when she realizes something is up.

And that is all... for now!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by locad on Jun 16, 2005, 9:36pm

wow there are great thank you

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by bluemage14 on Jun 16, 2005, 9:37pm

Oh, I remember all those! That's just awesome!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 9:51pm

And this is it for the night: Some introspection on Raven from Geoff Johns current series, and my favorite villain of them all, DR. LIGHT!

1) Those boxes are Raven thinking to herself. Also, a shot of her and BB getting thrown back by Dr. Light.

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2) Continued.

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3) Lastly. Again, Raven plays more of the medic role in the comics than she does in the show, which is kinda of a shame.

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4) And now for some Dr. Light. AS some background, Dr. Light got his memory back, and now he is actually a threat! He kicks the Titans' butss like there was tomrrow. Here, Raven yelled at him to stop the hatred, she couldn't take it anymore. He laughs at it and gives her all the hatred she can take. She pretty much gets knocked out because of the resulting "indigestion" I suppose.

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5) The Titans can't do it alone so they call for backup: all the former Teen Titans throughout the years, with Dick Grayson leading. Dr. Light mocks Nightwing.

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6) Finally, my favorite picture of Dr. Light. I might make it an alternate avatar or signature or something. He's pretty much kicked their asses.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 16, 2005, 9:52pm

*takes a dump on comics*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 16, 2005, 10:22pm

By the way, I like whoever it is they chose to play Dr. Light on the animated series, the voice fits him well.

FEAR THE LIGHT!

Really, how many villians out there serve the light?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 17, 2005, 8:15am

Some Beastboy concept art.

1) I actually really like the two on the bottom right. The one to the left ended up being the design for Animal Man, as I think was the original intention since he is shirtless. The one on the top right with the hat remind me of Bart/Kid Flash, he wears the same hat as shown in the next pic.

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2) The Titans chilling out.

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3) Raven making some comments about Starfire and her style of dress, I thought it was funny.

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4) Raven's new tatoo. Sexy, no?

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jun 17, 2005, 8:45am

I think she (Raven) looks... errrr... sexy!! *drools* XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jun 17, 2005, 8:52am

I'm still rather annoyed that those issues tended to have BB look much younger than he really is. I mean, look at the group shot; Garfield looks about the same age as Bart and the other kids.

And Raven is really, really short now.

Oh, and my wife's first reaction to the kids getting tattoos in that issue was: "Ok, that Tattoo parlor is going to get shut down real quick for doing tattoos on minors without parental permission."

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jun 17, 2005, 9:37am

Heroic Images has some decent images from the comic book for download.

Beast Boy -
http://heroicimages.net/4images/cat15.htm
(if there are any BB/Star fans here, there actually is a pretty decent image there for you)

Raven -
http://heroicimages.net/4images/cat261.htm
(check out the "Evil Raven" at top)

And here's also a decent Raven desktop wallpaper:
http://heroicimages.net/4images/img3528.htm

And just for you, SN - here's Deathstroke's page:
http://heroicimages.net/4images/cat25.htm

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 17, 2005, 10:04am

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And just for you, SN - here's Deathstroke's page:
http://heroicimages.net/4images/cat25.htm

*wince*

Slade is my pedophile lover.

*facepalm*

I just had to start a game of Truth or Dare...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jun 17, 2005, 10:09am

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*wince*

Slade is my pedophile lover.

*facepalm*

I just had to start a game of Truth or Dare...

I'm not even going to ask....

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jun 17, 2005, 12:05pm

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And just for you, SN - here's Deathstroke's page:
http://heroicimages.net/4images/cat25.htm

*wince*

Slade is my pedophile lover.

*facepalm*

I just had to start a game of Truth or Dare...

Wheeee!! I'm happy for ya.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by samrh on Jun 17, 2005, 12:16pm

Does anyone have that one page with Rose stabbing her eye out with that huge-ass knife? Someone on another forum had it up, but it wouldn't show up all the way for me. ;__;

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 17, 2005, 1:25pm

I love that thread now, the vict ory is complete.

Have Dr. Light and Slade already teamed up? I knew it was coming at the end of the Speedy arc, but did it already happen outside the Titans?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 17, 2005, 1:27pm

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Does anyone have that one page with Rose stabbing her eye out with that huge-ass knife? Someone on another forum had it up, but it wouldn't show up all the way for me. ;__;

I'll get it up sometime around 5 or 6 EST if no one else does first.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 17, 2005, 5:42pm

I wasn't going to post much today since everyone more or less cares about The End Part THree and nothing else, but what the hell. Some more BB, Rae, and Slade stuff:

1) Beastboy gets recognized at the hospital in the "Raven's Back" arc, before he meets with Raven. He's playin it cool, as they say.

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2) I mentioned before that Raven reached out and possessed Beastboy rather than the other Titans, here's the moment Beastboy gets possessed by Raven's soul-self.

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3) The (acutal) first time Beastboy sees Raven right before the first hug. She lets go of the possession when he gets close to her. At this point she's still a little comatose.

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4) I thought I'd post this just to show that Slade is a person too. He's mourning the death of his only real friend, Wintergreen. I hope Sukmi will enjoy this one.

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5) By request, Ravager gouging out her eye. Yeah... she's a little too obsessed with "daddy."

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6) This is from the cover of the issue where Starfire fights Wonderwoman and then some of the JLA start going at it with the other Titans (Beastboy fights Green Lantern/John Stewart, and Raven hasn't come back yet). I just thought the picture of Batman and Robin was hilarious.

I can just picture Batman going "Booga, booga, booga!"

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 17, 2005, 5:45pm

Slade is my Pedophile lover.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by samrh on Jun 17, 2005, 5:48pm

"Robin makes me hot!"

Thanks Pliskin! Man... that is one huge knife. o__o Wow...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 17, 2005, 6:05pm

Ow.

I'm just like you, daddy!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 17, 2005, 6:06pm

She didn't even gouge out the right eye...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jun 17, 2005, 6:08pm

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She didn't even gouge out the right eye...

No, but now they're matched book ends.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jun 19, 2005, 6:24am

Now that's gotta hurt!! X|

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 20, 2005, 7:35pm

Wooo okay been a while. I figure its time for some Cyborg stuff. I think I'll through in some Starfire and other stuff too. This is mostly from the Wolfram era.

1) It appears that either one of the animators or writers was a fan of "The Dark Knight Returns" by Frank Miller. Remember those kids that throw food at BB then talk about going to the arcade:

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Well, they're based off the design of the "Mutants," a gang that's important to the events of "The Dark Knight Returns." Here is a shot from the graphic novel, you can see part of the influence, though there are better shots in the graphic novel itself:

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2) Cyborg didn't just deal with being half-robot in his own eyes, he was put down and insulted by others, in this case his girlfriend before his accident. He returns to her fro the first time since the accident, but she has less than nice things to say about him. Others close to him also felt that he should've just died in the accident.

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3) Remember that scene in "Sum of His Parts" when Cyborg meets the kid with the prosthetic arm?

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Well, it almost came straight out of the comic.

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4) Cyborg brings Raven to visit the kids he met in th previous panel. I thought the first part was a nice Raven scene, as she tells the kids she can't heal those types of wounds. Following that up we see Cyborg is dating their teacher now. Also, it Raven and Cyborg have a little heart to heart (And no, that's not Batman coming up behind them).

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 20, 2005, 7:40pm

Also one I forgot:

1) Starfire's first photo shoot.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 20, 2005, 7:44pm

She looks cool in those.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Jun 20, 2005, 7:58pm

If that's not Batman, who is it?

(It really does look like him.)

And I love that little Raven piece...^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 20, 2005, 8:06pm

It's Satan

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 20, 2005, 8:17pm

Actually this much is from the show too, sorta of.

This is the Puppeteer issue (or the Puppet Master, as he was called in the show). The Batman-like figure is one of his toy puppets, it runs up to Cyborg and has him possessed.

In the issue everyone but Robin, Raven, and Beastboy gets possessed by the Puppet Master.

It would've made a good Robin/Beatboy episode if they did it that way, there's some interaction bewtween them.

The issue also involved the Puppeteer killing off board members of Dayton Industries. Since Steve Dayton was still MIA, Questor calls Beastboy to try and handle the situation.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 22, 2005, 10:38pm

Some more Cyborg, and a bit of Terra.

1) Just to show how screwy Terra got and how much of a pedophile Slade was, here's Terra with Deathstroke at his cabin. Remember kids, she's 14 at this point.

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Creepy...

2) Cyborg with his girlfriend, the teacher that was shown in the previous posts. Gar is showing Terra what alot of the Titans do on their days off. And after Cyborg slips on the ice... I dunno why I like it so much, but I do.

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Please tell me I'm not the only one who got the Bambi reference? Nothing would make me feel older or less like a man...

3) Just because there might be some BB/Terra people out there, their first kiss. Of ocurse I'm pretty sure she's already slept with Slade at this point... or at least it comes after that first scan I posted.

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4) Remember that episode with Atlas? I don't what it is about the animators choosing some obscure scenes to recreate for Cyborg, but this is another. Again, however, they changed it for the show. Cyborg is the one who pushes himself and overcomes it, proving to himself that he can still push himself like he used to, and he isn't as much machine as he sometimes think. In many ways, Cyborg comes off less whiny in the comics than the animated series when it comes to his condition.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 22, 2005, 10:43pm

1. Seems to me Wilson isn't all that interesting in Terra's... charms at the moment.

2. *burst out laughing* THUMPER!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 22, 2005, 10:46pm

Granted, Slade is strictly business. More like he gets some fringe benefits by using Terra to spy on the Titans.

But still... she's 14.

And, yeah, I almost spit out my water all over the comic when I came across the Thumper reference. It was the last thing I'd ever expect to see.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 22, 2005, 10:48pm

I thought it was hysterical! Too bad they didn't use that in Buny Raven...

As for you feeling like an "old man", I'm only a year younger than you, so that's no big concilation.

BTW, 3. Cyborg sure can be long-winded when he wants to be...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Jun 22, 2005, 11:02pm

Thumper! Even I remember him. Man, that movie was scary. (And I'm five years younger than you.)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 22, 2005, 11:04pm

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Thumper! Even I remember him. Man, that movie was scary. (And I'm five years younger than you.)

It was so not. No scarier than any other Disney movie, anyway.

Sheesh, you kill off one deer's mother...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 22, 2005, 11:06pm

Who's this "him" that sora remembers? Because I swear, I only remember the basics of any show I watched during my childhood. Hell, I barely even know the basics.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 22, 2005, 11:06pm

Yeah for some reason that scene seems to have scarred an entire generation.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 22, 2005, 11:07pm

Thumper was the field rabbit in "Bambi" that would always thump his foot several times. It was his trademark.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 22, 2005, 11:07pm

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Who's this "him" that sora remembers? Because I swear, I only remember the basics of any show I watched during my childhood. Hell, I barely even know the basics.

... It was a Disney movie not a TV Show...

... I'm sad now. I'm a fellin' oooooooold.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 22, 2005, 11:09pm

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Who's this "him" that sora remembers? Because I swear, I only remember the basics of any show I watched during my childhood. Hell, I barely even know the basics.

... It was a Disney movie not a TV Show...

... I'm sad now. I'm a fellin' oooooooold.

Disney movies, TV Shows, you name it, I guarantee I won't remember a thing about until I re-watch it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 22, 2005, 11:10pm

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Thumper was the field rabbit in "Bambi" that would always thump his foot several times. It was his trademark.

Oh! I remember him!

... but that's because I re-watched Bambi last summer.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nevermoresangel on Jun 22, 2005, 11:13pm

It never bothered me, my parents cried, I thought it was cool.

......14! Woah... half of my friends are 14 *hides them from Slade*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Jun 23, 2005, 1:49am

No, when the fire was going...

And the so called April "shower". That was so scary! *shudder*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 23, 2005, 7:32am

... It was raining. With a little thunder. That's hardly scary.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 23, 2005, 7:46am

*Thunederclap*

*Pliskin breavely runs away.*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Jun 23, 2005, 11:38am

I was four. It was scary.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 23, 2005, 6:02pm

A bit of Beast Boy's darker side.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 23, 2005, 6:12pm

More like a green coral snake

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Jun 23, 2005, 6:13pm

Ooo...where's that from?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 23, 2005, 6:19pm

No clue. Someone at the R/S shrine posted it on a "What if BB became evil" thread.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 23, 2005, 6:53pm

That's not his dark side, he's used poisons before.

This happened in one of the first issues. Mammoth and Gizmo are attacking, and Gizmo has a hostage.

Gar slithers up behind him and bites him. Gizmo gives up, is treated, and appears in the next issue of the Outsiders.

Gar also used poison against Fear and Loathing in the Beastboy miniseries to knock them out, and again against the zookeeper to send him unconcious.

None of them ever die, he knows enough to just give them a really bad day.

Whoever posted that porbably never reads the comics. Gar's darker side is Animal Man.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 23, 2005, 6:57pm

I think it shows his darker side in that he's willing to use dangerous natural poisons against villians. Not that that's a bad thing. It's very practical, all things considered. But that's hardly the heart of goodness at work.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 23, 2005, 7:07pm

I suppose. I can throw up the other times he's used poisons as well for the heck of it. Gizmo does live though, and Gar pretty much is the one to end that whole fight.

Also, Gizmo was threatening to blow up an entire harbor full of people. So I think it was warranted.

You gotta remember comic BB is older and more mature than animated BB. For a while now he's been more willing to push to further, and uses poisons only in the more extreme cases.

Also, one thing we don't see in the series that we see a few times in the comic is that Gar spends his off time watching Discovery channel so he can learn about all the animals' strengths and weaknesses. He'd know how much poison it would take and where to apply to take someone out.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 23, 2005, 7:35pm

Why is it that everytime I read this thread title, it makes me think of taking a crap?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 23, 2005, 7:50pm

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I suppose. I can throw up the other times he's used poisons as well for the heck of it. Gizmo does live though, and Gar pretty much is the one to end that whole fight.

Also, Gizmo was threatening to blow up an entire harbor full of people. So I think it was warranted.

You gotta remember comic BB is older and more mature than animated BB. For a while now he's been more willing to push to further, and uses poisons only in the more extreme cases.

Also, one thing we don't see in the series that we see a few times in the comic is that Gar spends his off time watching Discovery channel so he can learn about all the animals' strengths and weaknesses. He'd know how much poison it would take and where to apply to take someone out.

That's why I said it was pretty practical of him to be using poisons.

Apparently he also studied zoology in school to better understand animals. And considering he never had any formal training like Robin or Raven, he's done a damned good job of teaching himself. Even in the show.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Jun 23, 2005, 8:28pm

Cyborg doesn't need training either, because his body is made out of robotics/metal; he could probably get an instruction guide. Plus, he has some background in technology, if I remember right...

And Starfire has Blackfire, though she's probably never helped her. But I heard somewhere that she was an experiment...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 23, 2005, 8:39pm

He still had his father train him, I think. Well, I'm not sure.

But I believe his dad should've explained about Cyborg's powers.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 23, 2005, 9:56pm

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Cyborg doesn't need training either, because his body is made out of robotics/metal; he could probably get an instruction guide. Plus, he has some background in technology, if I remember right...

And Starfire has Blackfire, though she's probably never helped her. But I heard somewhere that she was an experiment...

Starfire was experimented on.

All Tamaranians can fly, and actually they're solar-powered, they need energy from the sun to fly.

Starfire is the only Tamaranian that has those "Starbolts." She was given away into slavery by her parents to save Tamaran from invasion. She was experiemtned on, before she escaped to Earth.

To tell you the truth, I don't know if Blackfire had them, but I doubt she did. When Blackfire was born she was the only Tamaranian that couldn't fly, so she wasn't allowed to sit on the throne, so Starfire was going to be the next Queen (hence the jealousy she has for Starfire). Somehow she gets the ability to fly, can't remember how.

If you look in the comics, Tamaranians use weapons like we would, and in fact they were going to give Starfire a Tamaranian sword, but dropped it before they printed the comic:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 24, 2005, 7:23pm

Well don't have any Titans stuff tonight. For the hell of it, let's take a break, switch gears, and drop some "Dark Knight Returns" scans. If you hadn't read Frank Millers "The Dark Knight returns" I suggest you do, its probably his best work (I always liked it better than Sin City).

"The Dark Knight Returns" was also the basis for Batman: Beyond. Out of everything "Batman", many regard it in their top ten list, and rightly so.

The graphic novel itself is at times very visual, at others very text heavy. All around, it really does read like a novel as opposed to a comic book, and I think many here would like it if they gave it the chance. As far as I know DeTroyes is the only other one here who has read it.

Also my new avatar comes from the novel, its Bruce Wayne before he finally returns to being Batman.

Here they are:

1) Bruce Wayne, having retired ten years prior from being Batman, spends his days as any rich man would, wasting away the time. At this point, he has begun to feel the restlessness of middle age (in a sense) and the boredom of his new lifestyle. In him burns the desire to return to the days of the caped crusader.

I could always imagine this sequence cinematically in my mind. I think they way they did this worked out very well. It's mostly a flashback to the night Bruce's parents were killed in Crime Alley, with some interspersed shots ofa news report that reminds Bruce of the evils that still lurk in Gotham.

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I always liked the last panel for some reason, I think its the look in his eyes. You can also see where they got the design for old Bruce Wayne in Batman: Beyond.

2) Of Batman's enemies from the comic before this, the Joker and Two-Face make a return, among some lesser known ones. Here's the Joker before he kills an entire Television studio audience.

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3) Batman's fight with the Mutant's Leaders. The Mutants is the name of a gang that has taken control of alot of Gotham. In Batman: Beyond, they used a gang called "The Jokerz" instead.

There was also an episode of Batman: The Animated Series that recreated some of this sequence, with Michael Ironside playing the voice of Batman throughout.

Just so you know, Batman never kills, the Mutant Leader is still alive at the end of the fight... just pretty broken up.

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4) This is my favorite Superman moment. Ironic, since its coming from a comic where he's portrayed in a less than flattering way.

Superman was always a "boyscout", and sometimes those types of heros are good for a change of pace. I think I may pick up some Superman some time.

I always loved his thoughts in these panels, and I liked when he was portrayed as an alien who gives his loyalty to Earth, to us, because of something good he sees in us, despite all the cr*p we otherwise see. And, after all, it was Clark Kent's parents, Earthlings, who instilled these ideals in him. Makes you remember that hope is never lost.

And, of course, Superman is Batman's polar opposite. It's always great to see them interact together.

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"Though I was born a galaxy away... I have always served you..."

"Mother... you are so generous... you give me... your beautiful jungle... I swear... your adopted son will honor you."

Those are my favorite lines.

5) Finally, the comic has a showdown between the Man of Steel and The Dark Knight. It's a great fight, more for how much it highlights the differences between Bruce and Clark. I figure I'll just show this panel for now.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jun 24, 2005, 7:28pm

The Joker looks so... queer in the comics..

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 24, 2005, 7:39pm

I should post somethign form the Outsiders.

It's a little more than just suggesting it these days...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by theskeet on Jun 24, 2005, 10:16pm

Those are pretty cool.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jun 30, 2005, 6:36pm

Haven't done anything in a while.

I decided I'll scan some stuff from the "Judas Contract." I want to show just how crazy Terra really was, and let you guess how surprised fans were when it happened, as well as how badly she treated BB and how bad she could have screwed him up.

I'll also repost some of the Terrof Trigon scans that were erased form the forum when the site went down.

For now, here is a picture of Nightstar, Dick Grayson's and Koriandr's child, from Alex Ross's site:

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She looks alot like Starfire, typical tameranian orange skin and green eyes, but has black hair.

Since I don't have a copy of Kingdom Come that's all I got of her for now.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 4, 2005, 12:45pm

Got some Terra stuff.

This is right before she and the Terminator move against the team and start taking them out.

This is a long practice sequence between Changeling and Terra. Changeling is able to wipe the floor with her, and she snaps (not that Gar's taunting helped the situation) a bit and begins to show her true colors.

Raven, like in the animated series, is the only one not buying her stories, but she doesn't do anything because she's aware of the own evil in herself and wants to give Terra the benefit of the doubt. But otherwise she knows that Tara has been lying about her past the whole time, just not for what reason she would.

I'll just be posting this one for now since its a few pages. I'll post Terra's death later, and how she tells Garfield she always hated and wanted to puke when they kissed.

Yeah she really did a number on him that the animated series doesn't even begin to touch on.

Donna Troy is also there, in the green and black robe.

If you're wondering about those panels that are in yellow, Terra is wearing special contacts that transit video back to Slade, so you'll see from her eyes occasionally to see what Slade is seeing.

Also, as you might notice, Terra had buck teeth. It was supposed to make her more cutesie. Sometimes she just looks funny, though.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 4, 2005, 12:55pm

You know... comic BB sounds a lot like you, Pliskin...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 4, 2005, 1:01pm

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You know... comic BB sounds a lot like you, Pliskin...

Really? Didn't notice.

Has nothing to do with why I like his character.

<_<

>_>

Nope, nothing at all...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2005, 7:10pm

Forwarded to me by a friend. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

It appears that Tim Drake (the Robin of the current Teen Titans) is also a pretty good crossdresser:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/66874.html

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 6, 2005, 8:01pm

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Forwarded to me by a friend. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

It appears that Tim Drake (the Robin of the current Teen Titans) is also a pretty good crossdresser:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/66874.html

Haha. I love you Batman.

And Alfred is the man. I always knew he was a pimp. Knows exaclty what size to do.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by munkyboi on Jul 6, 2005, 9:40pm

Here's some info on the Titans from Kingdom Come if anyone's interested:
http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/kingdom.html

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jul 6, 2005, 10:01pm

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SO THAT'S Tim's part-time job when he's not wearing the cape! That just made my day. Alfred be pimpin.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 6, 2005, 10:29pm

I've been trying to get pictures of Beastboy infected by the Trigon Seed, but no real luck so far. The only one I have found so far is from the current comics series:

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Up above, Evil Raven (woah, talk about kinky) disrupting Kory and Dick's wedding, then her own body's destruction, then her finally freed of the evil influence and in her gold soul form.

There with her, besides Starfire and the other girl I can't recognize, is Beastboy, in the black and red. The costume looks similar to his original one, except the white is replaced with black.

Which means its evil.

And also he has a mullet.

Which as we all know, is the most evil hairstyle of them all...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2005, 10:31pm

O.o

That hair! It's like he's some awful singer making a guest appearence on the Brady Bunch!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by munkyboi on Jul 6, 2005, 10:34pm

I'm not sure, but I think he had mullet for a short time when he was good.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jul 7, 2005, 10:04am

He looks awfully different! The hair, it burns!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 12, 2005, 1:46pm

Okay some more stuff, including Terra's big betrayal. I think this demonstrates just how much of a NUTCASE she was in the comics, certainly much more than what she was in the animated series.

But some other sutff before I get to that.

1) One of the maids at the Dayton Estates. Just shows that Gar loves screwing with people's heads. There was another panel on the next page where she walks into his room, begging him not to pop out from behind anything. Since I had so much to scan, however, it flet like a waste just to scan a whole page for one panel, at least in this case. But still funny, I think.

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2) Slade's wedding day. Aw, ain't that sweet.

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3) Garfield hitting on Starfire, as he always does. Also, Starfire fanservice. Also pictured are Dick Grayson, Donna Troy, and Tara Markov.

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4) Gar hitting on Terra. And to think they're dating at this point. In Terra's mind, of course, it's all a ploy, which is why she doesn't kiss him for a long long while... not to mention she's been sleeping with Slade at this point.

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5) Okay now onto Terra's betrayal. Because there's so much, I'm just linking it. Here goes:

A - The revelation that Tara betrayed the team. Remember kids, smoking means YOU'RE EVIL!

B - Eventually Dick Grayson, now Nightwing, and Joeseph Wilson, the newly recruited Jericho, come to the rescue of the Titans. Joey takes control of his father's body, and has Slade attack Terra. This makes Terra believe Slade had betrayed her, and so she starts to snap. She also confirms to Beastboy that she hates him.

C - The fight continues.

D - Terra just digs the knife deeper into Logan's heart. Talk about tramatizing, not only was she his first real love, but the first girl he ever kissed. And that you tend not to forget.

E - Raven arrives, who Terra always hated and feared most out of all of them.

F - Now she's really beginning to lose it, and is going to take everyone she can with her. In the last panel, Changeling is in the form of gnat or some other type of insect and is about to fly into her contact to distract her.

G - Now a narration takes over as Tara goes bonkers. I'm sure Gar feels a little responsible for what happens next, when ends up getting herself killed.

H - And finally, she dies, killing no one else besides herself.

And in the aftermath, Gar finding her body:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 12, 2005, 4:54pm

... Slade's a blonde?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 12, 2005, 5:28pm

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... Slade's a blonde?

Was, anyway. That's why Joey's (Jericho) has blonde hair. The super soldier serum, which he recieves after his first two sons are born, turns his hair color white after some time. Hence, why Rose has naturally white hair. Here's him without a beard as well, right after getting the serum and on a mission to rescue Wintergreen for the government:

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And here is the evolution of his mercenary outfit:

When he was solo in the African jungles looking for Wintergreen, he slowly pieced together the outfit based on the tribal wear of the natives.

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And then, he changes it when he returns home and becomes a mercenary full-time:

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And of course, when he gets his eye shot out by Adeline, he makes half his mask black and without a second eye hole.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 12, 2005, 5:44pm

Can't say I like the original costume, but he was pretty cute!

Still is, for an older guy.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by theskeet on Jul 12, 2005, 6:46pm

His old costume does look pretty cool.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 12, 2005, 6:57pm

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Can't say I like the original costume, but he was pretty cute!

Still is, for an older guy.

The first costume, the one he wears in Africe, you only see for maybe 10 panel;s in the flashback. Same with the second version of it, it's all in flashbacks. The first is more to show that Slade was going a little primal while in Africa, and sort of symbolizes he's step over the edge into becoming a killer.

Not that he hadn't before, but now he was beginning to love it.

If there's one thing I hope happens soon, its that they begin collecting Slade's comic book into compilations. I think it ran over 60 issues, but I haven't really read any of them.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 12, 2005, 7:48pm

What, there was a Slade comic book?

I didn't know that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jul 13, 2005, 12:04am

God, Terra looks freaking ugly! Her rabbit-teeth makes her even uglier!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Jul 13, 2005, 12:13am

Yeah, the animated Terra is MUCH prettier.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by blackwolf4830 on Jul 13, 2005, 12:20am

At least the comic one has a nose. Which for some reason, people find that to be such a huge reason to hate her >_>

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 13, 2005, 10:00am

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Okay some more stuff, including Terra's big betrayal. I think this demonstrates just how much of a NUTCASE she was in the comics, certainly much more than what she was in the animated series.

And animated Terra fans wonder why she is reviled so much...

Actually, I think the worst moments for Garfield in regards to Terra came after her death. Garfield does a little detective work and starts to uncover all the things she had kept hidden from the Titans. Initially, he thinks it was Slade/Deathstroke that turned "innocent" Terra against them. But as he digs deeper, he starts to realize just how much of a nutcase she was - and how she pretty much played them all (among other things he finds her diary, in which she writes about just what she really thought of Garfield). This actually goes on for more than a year in the comics (almost, as I recall, right up to Terror of Trigon), and culminates when Garfield directly confronts Deathstroke. The look on Garfield's face as Slade not only confirms that he slept with her but that she initiated it... is just heartbreaking. More than just a little bit of innocence lost.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by locad on Jul 13, 2005, 6:44pm

can someone post some off these Scenes plz 8-)

due to some strange Reason, which i currently investigate and correct, i am missing much stuff what happened after the Judas Contract Thingy.

so some Panels of Gar's uncovering and particular his Deathstroke Conversation would be great 8-)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 13, 2005, 7:21pm

I have access to the comics themselves sometimes. My friends older brother has what must be every issue of the Titans ever. Unfortuantely, he gaurds 'em like a dog. I was lucky enough to be allowed to read them, but I had to wear latex gloves when I did.

He' never let me scan them.

He's basically my go-to guy for comics. Has an awesome Batman, Superman, X-Men, Avengers, Punisher, Wonderwoman, and Spiderman collection as well. Some other stuff, too, I'm sure.

I'll go to [url=]Midtown Comics[/url] sometime in the coming weeks, see what I can dig up.

I like comics, but I don't collect, certainly not like he does. All I really have are compilations, admittingly, and alot of it is Elseworlds stuff.

I wanna see if he has Deathstroke's series as well.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 14, 2005, 10:27am

Pliskin:

If this will help you nail down the issues--

The conversation between Deathstroke and Garfield comes just before the "Trial of Deathstroke" story (or it may even be at the beginning of it). Basically, the Titans manage to capture Slade and bring him in. While he is in the Titan's custody, Garfield has words with him.

I don't remember when it is Garfield finds the diary, but it's sometime before Slade is captured, because that's how Gar learns Terra was sleeping with Slade.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jul 14, 2005, 10:49am

Alright that helps. I'll see if I can fish anything up.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 5, 2005, 12:02am

As an update, those issues about Slade's trial have been ordered and are coming sometime in the next couple of weeks. I also got some that came right after the Judas contract. I know Jillian jackson pops up in them. I think he finds Terra's journal in these issues, but I'm not sure. I'll see when they get here.

Till then, some little minor things from the old days.

1) Beastboy saving Raven as they fight some of Brother Blood's robots. He calls her Witchypoo. ^_^

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2) I just thouight this was funny. Starfire being Starfire. In these cases, the show and comic aren't so differant.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 5, 2005, 12:04am

That sound like something show-Star would say. XDXDXD

Love the first one. It sounds like something you, me, or Firefly would say.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 5, 2005, 2:31pm

Alright some stuff to hold us over until things come along. A bit of Raven and BB today. Really more Angella/Arella than Raven. I fure I'd post her past and how she got impregnated. With BB I just have some images I've been trying to convert into banners. I love the way Justiniano draws his animals.

Also I noticed something that didn't click before...

Brother Blood (the new one) is Raven's brother. That made things a little more disturbing. Now it's hard to figure out what's meant by brother. They probably are linked by their bodies, both of them were made in the same pool of blood. But who exactly this Brother Blood is is hard to tell. He may be more than her borther biologically, as he could be the essence of one of Trigon's other children.

For those who don't know the story too well, that whole story line where evil Raven is implanting Trigon "seeds" into differant Titans (including Beastboy); well the seeds are in fact the essences/souls of Trigon's other children. These were ones he probably used to conquer other dimensions besides the one Earth is located in.

Whether this Brother Blood is indeed one of these seeds himself isn't stated dirctly so far as I know. It could explain one reason why the Trigon demons killed all the other members of the Church of Blood, but then kneeled before him.

I wanna bring this up on Johns' board to see what people thnk as well. Of course, I also wanna know what Lillith's role is going to be.

Anyway, on to the scans.

1) First off, some words from Batman to Tim Drake about raven. With talk about the upcoming Infinite Crisis going on, I figured I'd throw this up. Batman's sentiments on Raven are pretty much shared among the other members of the Justice League. The conversation prior to this involved Tim not being able to tell his father he's Robin, and how he's been lying to him about where he goes on weekends and at night. Tim's father is killed shortly after this.

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2) Now onto the Arella stuff. Everything is being narrated by Starfire. Some quick info: The second picture next to Raven is when she goes evil, the last picture in the next panel after that is a young Arella, Arella is originally from Gotham City, Arella's real name is Angela Roth (and as you can see by the name, the indication is that Raven is the child of a Demon and Angel, if not literally then metaphorically), this is a bit of rewrite though not much, the only real addition being the creative inclusion of a raven following Angela as she runs away. Doesn't affect the sotry in any real way, and is a nice bit of allussion. And again, there's some mentioning that Trigon just wanted a family. See, he ain't all bad... sort of.

Other minor things, Arella didn't have a chakra like Raven did, and the name arella means "messenger angel", again playing up the Angel/Devil image.

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3) Here's one palce where they mention raven is Sebastien/Brother Blood's sister (and soon to be wife).

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4) Now some BB stuff. The first two I've been trying to make into banners. Unfortuantely, those word ballons bother me. I tried altering it, but ever since my computer crashed and I lost my copy of Photoshop, I've had to use Paint. And that cannot handle the editing I need to do to make it look right. If anyone can alter out these word balloons, I would be forever greatful.

The last image is just a funny sequence between bart and Gar, who's interaction I like.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Sept 5, 2005, 6:35pm

Ummmmm...................About the Brother/Sister thing: In many religions, the term 'Brother' or 'Sister' is usually spiritual in nature. So unless it's been said otherwise elsewhere in the comics then I think we are to assume that's what it means. (If it says different elsewhere don't tell!)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 5, 2005, 7:09pm

I knwo where you're coming from, but no it hasn't been said otherwise and if that were the meaning it probably would have been cleared up, or at least it may still be later.

Hwoever, the incestious relationship that spawns the devil's child is not a new idea. If I can cite a contemporary example, the film, The Devil's Advocate (Al Pacino, Keaneu Reeves), involves the coming of the Anti-Christ, who is to be birthed by protagonist impreganting his biological sister. That was what I thought of when reading this, though again I'll probably bring this up on Johns' forum sometime.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Sept 5, 2005, 7:22pm

If my comic knowledge is correct, which it might not be, BrBl the VIII^th was born from the previous BrBl and Mother Mae. So unless Mae and Angella were sisters, I find the sibling thing impossible. But then, if they were sisters, that would make Blood and Raven cousins, which means, gentically, it wouldn't be enough for it to be considered incest.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Sept 5, 2005, 7:41pm

Yeah, Brother Blood seems to be pretty loose with what he calls people. Raven's his 'sister' and then there is his 'mother'... whome he kills and quickly points to another stating: "you're mother now"

So, unless directly stated, I'm not going to think of Blood and Raven as being related. If only to prevent gross thoughts.

Oh, and I love the conversations Bart and Gar have. My fav is when they're watching TV, and Bart steals the remote from him because he doesn't want to watch the nature channel any longer.
Good times.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 5, 2005, 7:51pm

Incorrect.

First of all, Raven's current body isn't the one she was born with, hence why she refers to it as her "new shell". The body that was biologically the result of Arella and Trigon was destroyed against the tainted souls of Azarath. This current body has no parent per se.

Neither did Raven's body during the time when she went evil; Evil Raven's body was that of a girl whom she had possessed, her soul having survived despite her body being destroyed. So Raven hasn't had her body since it was burnt to ash.

As for Borther Blood, no he is not the son of Brother Blood and Mother Mayhem. He was created in a vat of Blood just like Borther Blood VII was created. In fact, Brotehr Blood VII had no idea that his followers went behind his back and created the next in line.

This is where it does get iffy, though. They call Brotehr Blood Junior the previous Brother Blood's son. In this case it might mean that there is a biological succession, or that simply its a sort of spiritual succession.

These scans my help.

Here is how the previous Brother Blood was created:

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Here is the making of the new Brother Blood AND Raven's new body. This is why I htink they may be brother and sister, at least in a certain sense; they are being made form the same vat of blood that the followers made:

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And here is the death of Brother Blood VII (from the Outsiders) at the hands of the current Brother Blood, and the indicaiton that his followers did this without his knowledge:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Sept 5, 2005, 8:16pm

But I specifically remember on TitansTower.com Mother Mae being pregnent with BrBl VII's child. Even a comic panel!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 5, 2005, 8:21pm

Yeah, she was pregnant. She named her DAUGHTER Jessica.

Go read the profile again, it's under Brother Blood.

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Mother Mayhem

Alias: May Bennett

First Appearance: New Teen Titans (first series) #21

May Bennett was one of the worshippers of the Church of Blood and was chosen personally by the most recent Brother Blood to be his consort. Blood dubbed her "Mother Mayhem" and used her as his right-hand woman.

Mother Mayhem often went on missions for Blood, such as capturing Raven after Trigon's defeat. She carried Blood's child, and after Blood's church fell, May gave birth to a girl, Jessica.

May is currently on good terms with the Titans, especially after they rescued her from Wildebeest.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 5, 2005, 8:22pm

Here's a link to the profile itself:

http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/broblood.html#may

It also mentions under the current Brother Blood's profile that his lineage is unknown at this time.

And this, again she had a daughter:

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Blood's mate, Mother Mayhem, pregnant with his heir, was captured by Wildebeest. The Titans rescued her, and the baby turned out to be a girl, implying that Brother Sebastian's curse has finally ended.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Sept 5, 2005, 9:54pm

K9 and Pard: O_o"!

K9: .......Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooookay. That screws me up quite a bit on my thinking.

Pard: Well that WOULD explain the age stuff.

K9: True. But I'll stand by my original thought of him comming into the world natually. For all we know, BrBl VII was a Rapist whoes victim came into the cult after his death?

Pard: Hmmmmmmmmm...............Doubtful, but still pausible.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 6, 2005, 7:17am

Only you still have to answer how Borther Blood could have done that when he was manifested/summon right before Terra betrays the Titans, putting it about 2 to 2.5 years before the current storyline.

The ccurrent Blood mentions himself as being around 14, same as Raven is mentioned as being around 17, at least physically.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Sept 6, 2005, 8:44am

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Only you still have to answer how Borther Blood could have done that when he was manifested/summon right before Terra betrays the Titans, putting it about 2 to 2.5 years before the current storyline.

Actually, The Judas Contract would have to be at least 3.5-4 years before the current storyline. And I lean toward it being closer to 4 or even 4.5 years. (yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense given Garfield's stated ages, but it does make sense considering the events that have happened).

I forget which issue, but one of the early issues of Johns' run had a page that tells you how far back certain events were to the "present". On that page it shows the death of Jericho, and says that it happened "3 Years Ago" from the present. So, The Judas Contract should be at least six months before that, much more likely a year (considering all that happens in that time).

I'm told that the general rule of thumb with the DCU is 5 years of comics equals about one year in the DCU. It's not a hard and fast rule, but for most things it works out to about right. That would mean the founding of the New Teen Titans would have been about 5 years previously; The Judas Contract about 4.5; Terror of Trigon about 4; Kory's political marriage about 3.5; Titans Hunt 3; Defeat of Evil Raven about 1.5-2; Technis Imperative 1-1.5; BB Mini series 1-1.5 (but just after Technis Imperative).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Sept 6, 2005, 9:23am

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I forget which issue, but one of the early issues of Johns' run had a page that tells you how far back certain events were to the "present". On that page it shows the death of Jericho, and says that it happened "3 Years Ago" from the present.

It was Titans 1/2 or TT#8 if I recall. It was the part where it recaps what happened in the last 18 years till the present day right?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Sept 6, 2005, 9:52am

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It was Titans 1/2 or TT#8 if I recall. It was the part where it recaps what happened in the last 18 years till the present day right?

Yep. Don't have my copies of the TPBs at hand right now to check, but that sounds about right.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 6, 2005, 2:47pm

Whoops, my fault, was working from their ages, which has holes, of course.

I scanned the page. I agree with DeTroyes, it's probably 4 years, since they note Grant as dying 5 years prior, and Jericho dying 3 years prior, so putting Terra in the middle of that makes sense.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Sept 9, 2005, 11:07pm

Fwee. The comic dump. I've seen all the little comic snippets.

And I'd like to mention that Beast Boy definitely (as I would've expected) has several layers more depth in here than in the show. Season 5, hopefully, shall show the kind of depth I've seen here. And I know that I've barely scratched the surface of comic Beast boy.

Looking forward to some more images. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 12, 2005, 3:31pm

As an update, I just got the issues with Slade's trial in it. Somehow I think I should scan the entire set, but that'll take too long. Good stuff here, you'll see Slade giving Beastboy advice, and actually telling him that he's one of the better Titans and should stop playing the fool cause he knows he can do it (yeah, wierd no).

Other things include Raven wearing pink, Dick and Terry at Terry's bachelor party (stripper included), some interaction between Jericho and Raven, and a funny scene where Beastboy/Changeling uses Dayton's Mento helmet to create the image of Starfire while he impersonates her as saying she wants him.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 12, 2005, 3:38pm

And you're not scanning this?!?!?!

>.<

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Sept 12, 2005, 3:46pm

Woo-hoo. I just ordered Legends #1 to get that Garfield-Wally conversation, too.

Keep watching this thread, because we've got lots of old comic scan goodness coming up.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 12, 2005, 3:59pm

I'm gonna scan as soon as I finish this paper I'm working on.

It's alot though. The Changeling/Slade stuff is 18 pages worth, and that's after I cut out several pages that I didn't think was as important.

Also there's some stuff with Dayton, who I forgot was a drunk for a while. You'll see Garfield rage out and punch him as well.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 12, 2005, 4:00pm

Cool. ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 12, 2005, 4:31pm

Okay, as a heads-up, because these are the originals, the color is going to seem dull and things will be a little harder to read. Because of this I'm setting the width to 600 pixels. I hope this doesn't bother anyone.

Just a few things right now. I'm not finished with my paper, I hit a bit of a stumbling block, so I thought I'd get a few little scans up in case I take all nigt with it.

1) Dick and Terry Long (Wondergirl's future husband) at Terry's bachelor party. He really didn't deserve Donna. I don't know what happened here, even though the page is straight it kept coming up crooked, and only for this page. Go figure.

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2) Garfield using Dayton's Mento helmet for some... well whatever. If you're wondering why he has it, he's been using it to disguise himself as the Terminator so that it appears that there is someone impersonating Slade. The purpose of this is to make Slade look innocent so he doesn't go to jail, this way Garfield can kill him in secret. For any BB/Star shippers out there, here's something for you, since Logan was always a fan of Starfire's... assets.

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3) Raven wearing pink. Let it not be said she never had. Her clothing is a bit eccentric, but Raven in these days was portrayed almost as if she was coming from Asia (alot of her philosophy and behavior is meant to reflect Buddhism and Hinduism).

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That guy Steven had been chasing her around since the first time she's gone to Mahattan college. I don't know what ever happened to him, but she shoots him down every time.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 12, 2005, 4:37pm

She was going to college and now she's back in high school... My worst nightmare.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 12, 2005, 4:39pm

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She was going to college and now she's back in high school... My worst nightmare.

Yeah. She starts off in college though, and she takes mostly philosophy courses where she can speak about Azarath and their beliefs. That's where she knows that guy Steven.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 12, 2005, 4:41pm

Sounds like you.

Other than that... Remind me to hire someone to follow my fiance during his bachelor party.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Sept 12, 2005, 4:44pm

I'm not certain, but I think this may be the last time we actually see Steve. I don't recall him being around much after this point, and I certainly don't remember him being around after Terror of Trigon.

And Garfield borrowing Mento's helmet reminds me of a kid borrowing dad's car without his permission....

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 12, 2005, 4:46pm

Really? I was trying to remember back and as you say, I can't remember anything post-Trigon either. I wonder if they were ever going to go anywhere with it, or if he just ended up being replaced by Jericho in a way. Who knows.

And yeah, Dayton and Garfield have an interesting home life.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Sept 12, 2005, 5:01pm

This was about the point that I noticed they seemed to be trying to hint at Jericho/Raven, so I kind of started to keep track. I don't seem to remember Steve showing up, but I suppose he could always be lurking somewhere in some image of Raven at college.

And they never really went anywhere with Jericho/Raven, either. I wonder if Wolfman was just putting either out to see if anyone was interested, or if he was doing something like the Chris Claremont method of storytelling - throw out a bunch of potential plot points and hope you can get around to some of them in the future.

Re: Dayton and Garfield
I forgot about the "stupid little jerk" line. I remember reading that for the first time and thinking Mento just went down a few notches in my mind. Being angry at the kid is one thing, but calling him that was just too much.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 12, 2005, 5:12pm

Okay, I know some Titan ended up getting a divorce... was that Wonder Girl?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Sept 12, 2005, 5:18pm

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Okay, I know some Titan ended up getting a divorce... was that Wonder Girl?

Yeah, it was Donna Troy/Wonder Girl. Terry Long turned out to be a complete jerk (never really understood what Donna saw in him in the first place, IMHO). Later on he tried to get custody of their kid, claiming her status as a superhero made her an unfit mother (she can't be there for the kid, she was always out saving the world). Then both kid and Terry die in a car accident, making the custody battle moot.

One of the stupider plots in the Titans, if you ask me.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 12, 2005, 5:27pm

Turned out to be? Seemed pretty obvious to me.

Aw, now that just sucks. I'm not sure which is worse: the kid dying, or the makings of a really cool plot dying a very lame and convenient death.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 12, 2005, 5:40pm

The whole is just a mess. I guess they just wanted to explore what happens when a super hero has to go through a divorce, or somehting along those lines.

THere's a discussion going on now about who people think donna should be with it. Kyle Rayner (Green Lantern) is in the lead, with Roy Harper (Arsenal) in second and Dick Grayson (Nightwing) right behind him.

I dunno who I prefer.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Sept 12, 2005, 8:47pm

Okay, it works. The first one...well, the first part made me a tad edgy. The Striper, while the skin's nothing new, the fact that's not a Super Hero makes it.............different somehow. *shrugs* And all those old guys oogling her didn't help.

The second. ............................................BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! ABSOLUTLY RIGHTOUS!!!!!!!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Sept 12, 2005, 9:04pm

There is so much to show this is almost the entire issue. I hit nineteen pages total, took forever to scan and resize without a working copy of Photoshop. :'(

But here it is.

Prepare to see Beastboy angrier than ever, and Slade as nice as you'll ever really see them.

And here we go:

1) Things are off to a bad start. Slade was put in jail for possession of a weapon, and, though he'll be getting out soon enough, Logan can't stand waiting. Things only get worse when he gets home. Steve Dayton is drunk, and Jillian Jackson, his best friend from grammar school, tells him she's not allowed to see him anymore since, earlier, he attacked Slade in the courtroom.

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2) Logan turns on the TV, and lo' and behold, the Terminator is beign interviewed on the news. The newscaster leads the conversation, making Slade look like the victim, and even brings up the incident involving Brother Blood, saying that the Titans were trying to surpress Blood's right to religious freedom. Steve, batting a thousand at this point, kicks Gar out of the house.

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3) Garfield can't take it, and so punches out Dayton. The following narrative is essentially a summary of his life and the major events he went through. Notice how, for the most part, this list hasn't changed. In fact, the only siginificant event that's added to this is his experience with the Trigon Seed Raven places in him. For some reason, dayton's drunkness and his attempts to kill Gar's friends never seems to make the list. This shows, I htink, how Garfield has been mostly untouched since the Wolfman era.

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4) Beastboy waits until night and sneaks into Slade's cell. Slade is quick enough to avoid getting injured.

5) The fight in the prison continues, as Slade is setting Changeling up.

6) Slade tricks Changeling into the yard, where Changeling knows he can't be seen attacking Slade, and so Logan flies off threatening Slade that he'll come back for him.

7) Despite what happens, Slade doesn't reveal that he was attacked by Garfield. The next day he's let free, and meets up with Wintergreen. Now Slade is beginning to become adverse to the Mercenary profession. Slade begins to think it's best to retire and return to hunting big game in Africa. After this he would become Terminator again, during Titans Hunt, as one of their allies. After this the writers would bring him back to the mercenary profession again because of how he was forced to kill his second son.

8) Beastboy isn't able to bring himself back to the tower, and spends the night at the zoo. Here the stress of everything that has happened begins to weigh on him.

9) The next day, Slade receives a letter from Logan to meet him and to put an end to all of this. Slade agrees despite Wintergreen's opinion.

10) I found this to be a nice scene. The The two of them have a restless night. The next morning, Garfield goes to Terra's grave, and Slade goes to Grant's. Both reflect on the situation.

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11) And so the time comes, and Garfield prepares to do the deed. Only...

12) He gets Slade the man, not the Terminator. Slade is willing to let him kill him. He wants it to end as much as Logan does.

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13) Logan prepares to do the deed... but can't. He sees Slade and can't bring himself to finish it.

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14) Slade helps garfield to his feet, and the two start talking abotu things. Slade tells Garfield why he came after the Titans, how he just wanted to honor his son Grant's death. Is there anythign wierder than Slade walking next to Garfield with his hand on Logan's arm, trying to comfort him?

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15) Is there anyhting wierder? Yes. There's somethign a little creepy about those first couple of panels where Slade convinces Logan to get a bit to eat with him and talk about things. Anyone coming from the animated series only is probably dropping their jaw at this point. If anything, it helps to show how complicated a man Slade really is. On top of that, he tells Garfield that he's NOT an idiot.

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16) Slade starts talking about Tara. Beastboy finds out now that she killed Tawaba, the native who looked after him when his parents were killed in the flood. That girl just messes him up even more.

17) The conversation continues, and Garfield tries to deny it, but knows it's true. Jericho comes up, but Slade starts saying how he can be trusted since the two of them were seperated from each other for so long, and that Slade is actually happy Joey is with them.

18) At this point, Garfield opens up to Slade. Just wow. Slade acting like a responsible adult? He actually encourages Garfield and admits that Changeling is one of the better ones, and that all he has to do is change the way he acts.

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19) The conversation comes to a close. Slade doesn't admit outright that he slept with Terra, but I think you can see that he did, but actually tries to make Beastboy realize it shouldn't matter anymore. Slade leaves, and soon returns to Africa, as Beastboy sits and thinks. In the end, I'd say after review that these events are probably the most important in Logan's experience, a sort of defining moment that makes he want to become mature, giving us the bEastboy we now have in the Johns era. Open to interpretation, of course.

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Do you want to know what the saddest part about all of this is? In this short moment between them, Slade has probably acted more like a father to Garfield than Steve Dayton ever had.

Really makes you wanna hate Dayton.

>.<

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 12, 2005, 11:18pm

And makes you love Slade all the more. :-*

Well... makes me love him, anyway.

Yeah, that's definitly one of the weirdest things I've ever seen, but I really enjoyed it. Too bad I couldn't see the rest of it, but the main points are there.

I really like that one part where the waitress is all, "OMG, me and my friends think you're the cutest, tee hee hee, *eyelash flutter*"

*snicker*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Sept 12, 2005, 11:41pm

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Aw, now that just sucks. I'm not sure which is worse: the kid dying, or the makings of a really cool plot dying a very lame and convenient death.

From what I gather, you have pretty well just summed up the entire run of 90s Titans comic books.

Re: The Whole Slade-Garfield thing

Jesus, does this bring back memories. I remember they almost fought, but the whole rest of it didn't start registering until I began rereading these pages again. Thank you for finding these and posting them.

That's it. We've got to start lobbying DC for some decent re-issue collections. The whole capture and trial of Deathstroke sequence needs to be re-issued.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Sept 13, 2005, 7:00am

Woah, those Gar-Slade things are really quite touching. I never knew that Slade is THAT kind. Jeez, just showed us how much different he is from the animated version. He is more like a pedophile in the animated series. Like Suki said, it makes us love him even more...

I agree that those are some of the important moments to Gar. Seeing him like that makes pity him. It also makes me hate Terra (comic) even more. Thanks a lot for posting those pages Pliskin.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Sept 13, 2005, 8:53am

In some ways, I like the comic Slade better than the show Slade. He's more human, he has a heart, he's not your average villian. Show Slade has a better outfit, but he's pretty much your average supervillian, sans manical laughter.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Sept 13, 2005, 11:09am

...Wow... that was just ...wow.

Sometimes I really wished the animated show was more like the comics. Makes me love those two even more. ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 3, 2005, 6:09pm

If for no other reason than being bored, scans of Young Justice featuring Tim, Bart, and Cissie (Arrowette).

This is from one of the more famous of the issues where Bart thinks he is Batman after getting hit on the head, and not just Batman, but the Adam West incarnation of Batman.

One of the most famous panels is when Tim tells Impulse to vibrate out of his chains, but gives him spastic seizures instead.

You also get to see some examples of Bart's old thought balloons, which they don't use anymore.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Oct 3, 2005, 7:22pm

Ahahahahaha!

Okay, he's now my second favorite character. ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 4, 2005, 8:55am

Forgot one:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 4, 2005, 9:02am

Just because the series had some great lines, Secret and the "Not Harrison Ford" line:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 4, 2005, 9:12am

The most villainous plan of all, creating evil chibi versions of the heroes!

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 4, 2005, 9:17am

You know, I haven't read much Young Justice, but based on what little I've read I can see why YJ fans were so pissed about its cancellation, and why some of them are so frustrated by the current series. Peter David and Geoff Johns have very different writing styles, with one more geared toward adventure/comedy (PAD) and the other more geared toward action/adventure (GJ). The two styles are not exactly compatible, and if you become used to a character written in one style then to have them suddely be switched to another can be a little jarring.

I still prefer GJ's handling of the characters, but PAD doing some Titans work would be fun.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 4, 2005, 9:53am

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The most villainous plan of all, creating evil chibi versions of the heroes!

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*would comment on the horrific kawaii-ness, but has busted a lung from laughing and is currently in critical condition*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 4, 2005, 11:02am

I know, it's deathly cute.

Yeah, I've seen how upset they've been with the current book, it is a bit of a drastic change. I was also one of the ones who thought the current Teen Titans Animated would have worked better if it were a Young Justice series instead. The humor is more fitting.

YJ got serious some of the time. I always found Secret's origin to be rather horrific.

I always preferred the Titans in their more dramatic role and I'm glad Johns has them. I wouldn't mind the Titans (BB, Rae, and Cy) splitting off to form, oh I dunno, a new Infinity Inc. As long as they have a good writer like Johns who respects the three and what Wolfman tried to do with them, I'd be happy as long as they stay together.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by mint on Oct 4, 2005, 1:59pm

**twitch twitch** they are...small...**twitchitytwitchtwitch**

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 4, 2005, 3:13pm

Some more Young Justice for the hell of it.

1) Here is one of Wondergirl (Cassie) working undercover in goth wear:

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2) More chibi-ness! The fear consumes...

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Also, that kid in the last panel with the sun glasses and goatee, calling himself Rob Roy, is actually Tim Drake (Robin) in disguise.

3) Just because kids don't always think ahead. Red Tornado returns to check up on the team, happy to know it's not that hard to get invited on. Also some Slobo.

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4) He could know anything about the time stream he wants, and he asks the one question we all want answered...

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by johnmatrix on Oct 4, 2005, 7:08pm

Red Tornado WAS Young Justice.

Secret: Can you make a rock so big even you couldn't lift it?
Spectre: ....Yes.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 4, 2005, 7:10pm

I know, that's why I said "returns". That occurred after he was on a leave of absence.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by johnmatrix on Oct 4, 2005, 7:12pm

I was making a statement, not questioning anything.

YJ did sound pretty funny, and I got the first trade. But the little brats annoyed the hell out of me.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Oct 5, 2005, 2:54pm

Hi I was wondering if anyone got the scan when starfire first met robin? Also if you guys got the one scan where terra and beast boy kiss for the first time. I've been looking for it. Thanks!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 5, 2005, 3:50pm

First time Starfire and Robin meet, or first time they kiss?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Oct 5, 2005, 7:33pm

both if possible ^.^;

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 7, 2005, 12:38pm

Eboogeyman on GJ's forum just posted this. Its the first meeting of Superboy (Conner) and Wonder Girl (Cassie). Awwwww.....

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 7, 2005, 2:26pm

Aw... that's cute. I especially like the pink-tinted heart-shaped talk bubble.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 7, 2005, 2:50pm

Hehe, back when she wore the black wig and the goggles to hide her face.

if anyone is wonderingm, her secret identity has already been exposed, so she doesn't bother with it anymore.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 7, 2005, 3:05pm

Today I found the Titans GO issue where BB was being sneaky (I think the textless versions are on the Pics thread). I didn't have time to check it out, but I did read it. Anyone interested in a full summary?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 7, 2005, 3:21pm

Yeah sure.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 7, 2005, 3:32pm

Okay, it starts with Cyborg and Starfire talking about this incredibly scary book Raven' loaned them, called "The BOok", Robin covering his ears because he hasn't read it yet, and BB asking why he never heard of it. Apparently, they don't think BB could handle it, citing his reaction to Wicked Scary 3, Starfire's favorite Tameranian children's stories, and the time Cyborg read him the ingredients off the Almost All Beef Hotdog backage. Raven makes a crack simlar to "You can read?" and one about him not being able to understand the "big words".

That night, he goes to her room and knocks on the door, demanding that she let him borrow the Book. She's not there, so he goes in and finds the book. He starts commenting aloud that the book isn't scary, though it is in another language. "And what does *instert unpronouncable phrase here* mean?" Naturally, it was a spell that brought a creature from the book (not Malchior). BB's VERY freaked out now. It's faster than him, has more arms than him, has him ("I'm too cute to be eaten alive!"). He's able to destroy it, getting monster goop all over himself and Raven's room. Then he runs out of there. And bumps into Raven. She's happy (as Raven ever is) that she bumped into him, though, and apologizes for saying he couldn't handle The Book (SHIPPY!). Then she hands it to him. BB's surprised. The book he read wasn't "The Book", apparently. It ends with...

Raven: "It's the scariest book in my collection..."

Beast Boy: *walking away* "Says you."

The second half is like a really bad fanfic by a Robin lover. Robin + True Master + Disquised Slade-Bots +OOC Slade + really bad Martial Arts movie reference + even worse Star Wars reference + Dream Sequnce.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 7, 2005, 3:36pm

Sounds shippirific. Any chance of getting scans?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 7, 2005, 3:39pm

If it's still there when I get off work, I'll check it out.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lony on Oct 7, 2005, 11:32pm

*sigh* yeah, looks like I'm gonna have to add Young Justice to my backissue hunt. These scans are just so cute and funny.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Oct 8, 2005, 9:13pm

Quote:

Okay, it starts with Cyborg and Starfire talking about this incredibly scary book Raven' loaned them, called "The BOok", Robin covering his ears because he hasn't read it yet, and BB asking why he never heard of it. Apparently, they don't think BB could handle it, citing his reaction to Wicked Scary 3, Starfire's favorite Tameranian children's stories, and the time Cyborg read him the ingredients off the Almost All Beef Hotdog backage. Raven makes a crack simlar to "You can read?" and one about him not being able to understand the "big words".

That night, he goes to her room and knocks on the door, demanding that she let him borrow the Book. She's not there, so he goes in and finds the book. He starts commenting aloud that the book isn't scary, though it is in another language. "And what does *instert unpronouncable phrase here* mean?" Naturally, it was a spell that brought a creature from the book (not Malchior). BB's VERY freaked out now. It's faster than him, has more arms than him, has him ("I'm too cute to be eaten alive!"). He's able to destroy it, getting monster goop all over himself and Raven's room. Then he runs out of there. And bumps into Raven. She's happy (as Raven ever is) that she bumped into him, though, and apologizes for saying he couldn't handle The Book (SHIPPY!). Then she hands it to him. BB's surprised. The book he read wasn't "The Book", apparently. It ends with...

Raven: "It's the scariest book in my collection..."

Beast Boy: *walking away* "Says you."

The second half is like a really bad fanfic by a Robin lover. Robin + True Master + Disquised Slade-Bots +OOC Slade + really bad Martial Arts movie reference + even worse Star Wars reference + Dream Sequnce.

THANK YOU!

Seeing those pics and reading this summary, it all makes sense now. ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 8, 2005, 9:14pm

Oh, shoot. I forgot to check it out...

Ah, well. You're welcome.

....

SHIPPY!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 9, 2005, 7:05pm

I went to the library today and got that comic. I only scanned the BB story, since the Robin one sucked monkey butt.

Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4
Page 5
Page 6
Page 7
Page 8
Page 9
Page 10

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Oct 9, 2005, 7:36pm

Aww, that's sweet. That she apologized, I mean, instead of blowing him off. ><

I couldn't really read page one though.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 9, 2005, 9:46pm

Whoops. Sorry.

I fixed it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by johnmatrix on Oct 16, 2005, 10:03am

Fun fact: Slade Wilson wears briefs.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 16, 2005, 10:30am

I'm intrigued. How do we know this?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by johnmatrix on Oct 16, 2005, 10:57am

It was in one of the first issues of his solo series. He got shot in the leg, and when he and Wintergreen were in the car, he dropped his pants to take care of it.

Also, Dick Grayson wears briefs too. You get a good body shot of him in his first mini series. He wears red.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 16, 2005, 11:14am

Boxers ride up when you try run. It gets very uncomfortable. You need soemthing form-fitting.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Oct 16, 2005, 11:31am

Well, that just answers that question of what the male heros wear underneath the suit.

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I went to the library today and got that comic. I only scanned the BB story, since the Robin one sucked monkey butt.

Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4
Page 5
Page 6
Page 7
Page 8
Page 9
Page 10

I <3 you.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Oct 16, 2005, 11:38am

"I'm too cute to be eaten alive?" I didn't particularly like that line. 0.o

But nice scans. ^^ I'm quite happy that I'm not totally isolated from the comic series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by johnmatrix on Oct 16, 2005, 12:01pm

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Boxers ride up when you try run. It gets very uncomfortable. You need soemthing form-fitting.

And they know ALL about form fitting!

Slade wears a speedo instead of swim trunks as well. And his butler is a pimp.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by griffin1 on Oct 16, 2005, 3:23pm

Hey I've been checking out this forum for some time and it's pretty cool so I thought I'd join see what I can offer. I noticed there was a scan of Garfield talking to Slade in a cafe in one of the theads but it was only one panel so I don't know whether you guys have seen the whole thing.
I actually have the issue if anyones interested. It's got some cool dramatic scene with Gar going "Did you make love to Tara" and Slade just sitting back looking (for lack of a better word) awesome before going "would it make any difference".
I would post it but I can't figure out how. It took me an hour to figure out how to use the scanner and I think I had three nervous breakdowns within that time. Anyway, if anyone can help me figure out how to post the images (without them being super huge) I'd be much obliged. Thanks.

P:S: I also have the green arrow issue where speedy (Mia) is introduced to the titans with Gar joking as always. Only problem is the artist seems to like drawing him looking like a moron.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 16, 2005, 4:06pm

Thanks for the offer. If you go to ten page of this thread, though, you'll see 19 pages from the issue already scanned. Starting when Gar goes back to Dayton's estate, through his attack of Slade in the prison, and the whole discussion between him and Slade at the Diner.

The Mia stuff would be cool though, I don't have those issues and I'd love to see them.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by griffin1 on Oct 16, 2005, 4:33pm

I could post it now. I've managed to alter the size of the images so hopefully it won't take up the whole page but embarrassingly enough I don't have a clue how to actually post the image onto the board. I can't copy and paste it and the actual insert image button just gives me this crazy thing [img][/img].

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 16, 2005, 5:00pm

YOu put the link to the picture inside the [img][/img].

So put http://(the adress here)/(picture name).(file extension) in between [img] and [/ img]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 16, 2005, 6:22pm

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Hey I've been checking out this forum for some time and it's pretty cool so I thought I'd join see what I can offer.

Good to have you. We like fresh blood!!

Quote:

P:S: I also have the green arrow issue where speedy (Mia) is introduced to the titans with Gar joking as always. Only problem is the artist seems to like drawing him looking like a moron.

Yeah, that seems to be pretty much par for the course with all the artists and writers who have been tackling Gar in the last couple of years (at least since about 2003), except for those working with Geoff Johns. Its like everything that they did with the character between 1990-2003 never happened and its still the 1980s. I'm hoping that gets rectified with IC and the One Year Jump.

Just so you know, we generally try to use this thread for comic scans and discussions of them, the Comic Information Thread for comic discussion, and the Gar/Rae Thread (over under The Official R/BB Board) for Gar/Rae discussions. Oh yeah, we also have a new thread for discussing Titans & the Infinite Crisis. But even with all these threads, discussions still tend to spill over.

Once again, glad to meet a new person, especially someone whose also interested in the comics!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by griffin1 on Oct 23, 2005, 2:38pm

I did it. Good lord I did it. I got the picture on here. I can laugh at it now but I swear I was this close to throwing the stupid computer out the window.
Well here it is and yep the artist makes Beastboy look lame, even more so in the second panel. Still I think he handles Speedy well.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Oct 23, 2005, 7:20pm

MY EYES, THEY BURN!

Oh my gosh....it should be ILLEGAL to draw Beast Boy like that....ugh...and what the heck is up with Raven huddling in the corner? I know she's anti-social, but she's not gonna curl up and mumble to herself in a dark corner of the room.

I think Gar sounds like an idiot. x.x Whoever wrote/drew that should be shot.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 23, 2005, 7:24pm

Yeah, I htink Beastboy looks younger here than he did back when he was introduced on the Doom Patrol. >.<

Then again, Robin and Wondergirl don't look much better either.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Oct 24, 2005, 5:37pm

All of them look horrible. Robin's hair looks like it's on fire. Cyborg and Superboy are the only ones who look half-decent, and even then Superboy looks like a jerk.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Oct 24, 2005, 5:39pm

It's way too cartoony. I like whoever did the Beast Boys and Girls arc and the last Raven one, where she went bald. That was some good art.

And whoever did the one where Raven was reborn out of that pool of blood. That scene was magic...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 24, 2005, 6:06pm

McKone did the first issues with Raven's rebirth, Grummet did Beastoby's arc, and Daniels is the current artist, and one of my favorites (thankfully) these days.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 24, 2005, 9:39pm

A poster by the name of the4thstooge on DC's Message Boards pointed this little tidbit out. This is from Rob Liefeld's own forum, under the thread "I'm Buying, I'm dropping, I will pick up"

Rob Liefeld Dropped/Dropping

Rob Liefeld himself:

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Teen Titans ( was looking forward to Ivan Reiss, but now he's not coming and I'm leaving. Not feeling TD. And no, I would never consider the monthly as a gig. I'm al about the Titans East.)

:::blink, blink:::

"Not feeling TD"?

Anyone else think Liefeld might be a little miffed at Daniels "'nuff said" comments?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 24, 2005, 10:04pm

I hope he does not get Titans East. Especially if BB/Rae end up on it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by griffin1 on Oct 25, 2005, 10:05am

Liefelds issue sold well didn't it? Thats my worry. Some people upstairs at DC might just think Ka-ching and put him on TTE. I still think the delay problems will have damaged his chances though.

Well here are some more scans. All scanned poorly at an odd angle and some quite old Skool. Yes I spelt it with a K.

[image]

They want to get Jericho who they think has betrayed them and I think Nightwing goes through near enough the whole team here before settling on Beastboy. Ravens Missing (Don't ask me I don't know)

[image]

And finally just a little bit of Dr. Light Standing on a buildingtop looking ominous. All comic book characters do it. Nightwing especially boy has he got it down.
This is supposed to be a cliffhanger but I've seen the cover for the TT November and January issues and Speedy is still alive. Oh DC you masters of suspense.

Which page is that Titans scan with Raven calling the kid an a$$ on? I can't find it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 25, 2005, 10:29am

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Liefelds issue sold well didn't it? Thats my worry. Some people upstairs at DC might just think Ka-ching and put him on TTE. I still think the delay problems will have damaged his chances though.

That's my hope, too. But as others have pointed out, the inability to keep to a schedule is sort of an industry wide problem. DC keeps it much more to a minimum than most companies, but at places like Marvel and Dark Horse, release date schedules are often more "release suggestions" than anything.

I really hope Liefeld doesn't land TTE. I want a TTE seperate title, but I'd prefer someone else doing it. But as much as it pains me to say it, I'd probably buy TTE even if Liefeld was doing the art, simply because I want more Titans.

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And finally just a little bit of Dr. Light Standing on a buildingtop looking ominous. All comic book characters do it. Nightwing especially boy has he got it down.

Where is this scan from? I think you said earlier it was Green Arrow, right? Which issue #, and which issue # had the "Mia being intrdduced to the Titans" scene you posted earlier?

Quote:

Which page is that Titans scan with Raven calling the kid an a$$ on? I can't find it.

Teen Titans/Legion Special #1, bottom of page 11.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by griffin1 on Oct 25, 2005, 2:02pm

umm The introduction of Speedy was in green arrow #46 and Dr light has appeared in the last two green arrow issues numbers 54 and 55. He appeared more in 54 where he was fighting the female Dr. Light and sucked out her powers.

http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/8186/tt50th.jpg

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/2961/tt106qr.jpg

Just two selected links Sorry if they aren't too clear. The first one has BB acting stupid. Writers love that.

The second one is the page after Mia has explained she doesn't want to tell the team she is H.I.V positive. Have the titans found out already? I haven't got any issues with her.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 25, 2005, 2:22pm

OK, thanks.

Seriously thinking about adding Green Arrow to my pull list. I liked him a lot in Identity Crisis, and now with Ollie crossing swords with both Light and Deathstroke, it makes me want to pick it up even more. And to think there was a time when I thought most of the DC superheros were just lame...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by griffin1 on Oct 25, 2005, 4:59pm

Identity Crisis blew me away. I think I re-read the Slade fight about 3 or 4 times. That was so well done. And the ending *whistles*. Yeah I like the Green Arrow probably one of my favourites along with the Titans, Deadpool and Batman (I don't care if he's an angry old man he's a cool angry old man)

Titans comes out tomorrow in America. Curse shipping delays. Seems like my little island gets everything late.
By the way what's the Solo series? It comes out soon and it's got Batman on the cover doing the Batdance. I might buy it for that alone.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 25, 2005, 5:57pm

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Identity Crisis blew me away. I think I re-read the Slade fight about 3 or 4 times. That was so well done. And the ending *whistles*. Yeah I like the Green Arrow probably one of my favourites along with the Titans, Deadpool and Batman (I don't care if he's an angry old man he's a cool angry old man)

Yeah, the Slade vs. JLA fight was cool. I posted some images from it in the "Teen Titans in the Infinite Crisis" thread here.

I may just pick up the Green Arrow TPBs, though, and wait for the current issues to hit TPB form. I try not to buy too many of the monthly comics, because in general I prefer the trade paperbacks. They fit on my shelf better.

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Titans comes out tomorrow in America. Curse shipping delays. Seems like my little island gets everything late.

Yeah, although artwork for about half the issue has already been posted elsewhere. I'll be posting a "Beast Boy and Raven Comic Book Watch" posting tomorrow on it.

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By the way what's the Solo series? It comes out soon and it's got Batman on the cover doing the Batdance. I might buy it for that alone.

Solo is an anthology series that DC puts out. Basically, they give a comics artist one issue and let him do whatever he wants with it. Solo #7 is by Mike Allred, and he's basically doing a slightly tongue in cheek look at the entire DC universe, drawn mostly in the "Golden Age" style.

The Pulse just had an interview with Mike Allred about it.

Mike Allred Flies Solo With DC

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 26, 2005, 5:02pm

Newsarama has released the Perez cover for Infinite Crisis #2:

[image]

No big surprises, but it pretty much lays to rest any doubt that Power Girl plays a prominent role in this series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 26, 2005, 6:16pm

Oooh, some shots of the events of the first Crisis, Superboy, Dr. Light, and I think that that's Queen Hippolyta (sp?) in the Wonder Woman outfit below Powergirl.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by theskeet on Oct 29, 2005, 1:41pm

I like Terra in this issue. Does she still act like this or has she changed?

[image]

I've got more comics I'll scan later...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 29, 2005, 1:47pm

Sort of. In Titans of Tomorrow, the future Terra still seems pretty pissed that Gar rejected her. But we haven't really seen much of her in the last few years to tell. If I'm not mistaken, ToT is the ONLY time she's appeared since about 2002 (since before the animated series began).

What issue is that from?

(and it looks to me more evidence that Gar is not liking T2 enough to get together with her)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by theskeet on Oct 29, 2005, 1:52pm

The New Titans 0.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 29, 2005, 1:55pm

Thanks. I'll add it to my issue hunt list.

BTW: Griffin1, I've just broken down and added Green Arrow to my pull list. Firestorm as well. I also found the issue where Speedy joins the Titans, and the one that introduces her. Also picked up the last four or five issues GA, but still haven't read them yet.

OH, and Pliskin: I also picked up the TPB Batman: Under the Hood, which was the story that reintroduced Jason Todd. I thought I'd pick it up, with the Jason Todd/Tim Drake story coming up in TT #29. Seriously eyeing the three Batman: War Games TPBs as well. Next thing you know, the Bat's going to be on my pull list as well...

I knew this was going to happen. I just knew it. There was a reason why I was reluctant to get back into reading comics...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 29, 2005, 2:19pm

Yes, funny isn't it, you start with one, but then you just get pulled in deeper and deeper...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 29, 2005, 3:05pm

Quote:

Yes, funny isn't it, you start with one, but then you just get pulled in deeper and deeper...

Especially when they start intertwining the stories together across different titles.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 29, 2005, 3:10pm

Just be glad that DC doesn't have the alternate universe thing going on as well...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Oct 29, 2005, 3:21pm

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Just be glad that DC doesn't have the alternate universe thing going on as well...

Yet.

Post-IC, who knows?

Like I said earlier, 3,000,000+ different versions of Nightwing, each married to a different woman...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 29, 2005, 3:23pm

Lwet's not even start with the possiblity of slash. Who knows waht Tarantula really did to his fragile little mind... O.O

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 29, 2005, 11:20pm

Only cause things are a little slow now.

Some of Tony Daniels' latest commissions.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 30, 2005, 9:44pm

Hey, check out what I found, the first time Gar meets Tim Drake, from The New Titans #65.

hat's Deathstroke with the Titans. In issues 62 to 64 Slade had joined the Titans to go after a grouping of Wildebeests who he had 'differences' with (they almost killed Wintergreen). Slade was looking for revenge. He eventually joins forces with the Titans to face down this group.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Oct 31, 2005, 9:16pm

Pray tell, is that the same scan they put up on The Wing-Nuts forum? Because I just read those pages and more yesterday. XDD Quite a good issue.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Oct 31, 2005, 9:17pm

I got it off scans daily, a livejournal site where people post scans of the comic. Was it on the Wingnut forum? I was digging through scans daily looking for YJ stuff and happened to see it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Nov 6, 2005, 3:28pm

I'll be dumping some things later, for now, I'll just pop up anything I randomly come across.

This one was funny; Halloween, with Superboy going as Batman. I love the paper bad cowl.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Nov 6, 2005, 3:37pm

This needs a little explaining.

It's from Impulse's own book. He stops a plan by a villain to turn the world's animals nto super-intelligent beings. As a reward for his work, Bart decides to keep two of the "underpowered" mice...

... Look familiar...

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Nov 6, 2005, 3:43pm

....

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by scarletangel on Nov 6, 2005, 3:44pm

Dude, the end dialogue is totally off. What's up with that? :D

...also, now I have the theme song stuck in my head.

"Their plan will be unfurled--by the dawning of the sun, they'll take over the world!"

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Nov 6, 2005, 3:52pm

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Dude, the end dialogue is totally off. What's up with that?

They couldn't be too explicit with it, they would've been sued. That's how they get around it, they change it enough so you now what the reference is.

This is from when all the adult heroes in the world got turned into children. They mess up the Young Justice headquarters and steal somethign from them.

[image]

And that's probably Batman's best line ever. ;D

"Don't tell Robin I was here."

Also that's Aquaman as a kid.

And they make fun of Kyle for complaing about becoming a teenager again since he's one of the youngest.

[image]

Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter also look funny:

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Nov 6, 2005, 4:14pm

And of coruse it was Batman who gave Bart his super hero name:

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Nov 8, 2005, 8:10am

I've been seeing a lot of the YJ postings lately. They are an absolute scream. I am thinking about picking some of those back issues at the local comic shop.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Nov 8, 2005, 8:35am

Yeah I just figured I'd pop therm up here till I get more Titans stuff to scan.

YJ was good while it was going. Bart and COnnor were my favorites there.

I don't mind the more serious nature of it now. I like Superboy, actually, in Titans at the moment.

But if there's anything I miss it's Bart's thought bubbles.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Nov 8, 2005, 11:09am

I love the thought bubbles. I wish Geoff would bring those back. I do like the seriousness of the Titans, but we definitely need the comic relief in there, too. Gar is usually funny, but I think he and Bart play off each other very well.

I like Superboy and the fact that he doesn't have an actual costume. I hope he sticks with the shirt and jeans, at least until he gets a little older. It makes him stand out from the others.

Definitely give us more YJ if you have time. Tomorrow is comic book day -- I'll have to see if we have back ish.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Nov 9, 2005, 1:44pm

A couple from #29, Jason Todd taking off his Red Mask costume to reveal his old Robin costume.

And he really looks like an evil version of Dick, doesn't he.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Nov 9, 2005, 6:08pm

*Clears her throat.*

Ah-hem... DUN DUN DUN!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Nov 9, 2005, 6:15pm

Yep, dun dun DUN, indeed.

It was a great issue, seeing Robin fight Robin was fun.

So we now we got three Robins running around.

Now if they bring in Tery McGinnis, Cary Kelly, and Stephanie Brown again, we'll have a Robin for every day of the week (with McGinnis pulling up the weekends).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Nov 9, 2005, 6:40pm

But Terry was never really a Robin.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Nov 9, 2005, 6:54pm

Well no, he skipped that phase. But he was more or less a Robin in the sense that he was a lighter side of Bruce. And of course he ends up being his biological son.

Fine, one Robin for every day of the week, and weekends are a wild card.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Nov 9, 2005, 7:36pm

Deal. ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by godrick on Nov 24, 2005, 8:22pm

reminds me of the 5 robins at the tower

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 8, 2005, 10:43pm

Pliskin: Here is the link to the Space Trek reference in YJ #31 that I told you about. If you look at the books people are holding, you might see some other interesting items:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/kthunter/YJ31spacetrek.jpg

Look at the guy in the blue t-shirt in the middle.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 8, 2005, 11:17pm

OMG!

A Simpsons reference!

"To Serve Man." From the Halloween episode. XD

... This was the all silent issue right?

... I've been hunting this down forever now...

@.@

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 8, 2005, 11:26pm

Yes. The Simpsons reference was to an old episode of either "The Outer Limits" or "The Twilight Zone" or some show like that called "To Serve Man" -- which was a really good episode. I'm just trying to remember which show . . .

I just love google. It was "Twilight Zone":
http://members.cox.net/kaiotea/serveman.htm

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Dec 8, 2005, 11:26pm

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OMG!

A Simpsons reference!

"To Serve Man." From the Halloween episode. XD

Actually, the Simpsons thing is ITSELF a reference, to a very famous episode of The Twilight Zone. Original story was by Damon Knight, the television adaptation was by Rob Serling.

http://members.cox.net/kaiotea/serveman.htm

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 8, 2005, 11:28pm

We found the same link at the same time. Scary. I guess great minds think alike.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Dec 8, 2005, 11:28pm

whoa!

KTH beat me to it....

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 8, 2005, 11:29pm

Hee hee hee . . . I think we hit it at the same time, actually...

Yes, this was the all-silent issue. I just got it at my LCS.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 8, 2005, 11:30pm

Oh, yeah I forgot about that one. XD

That was a good one. I miss the Twilight Zone. I miss Rob Sterling. :'(

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Dec 8, 2005, 11:30pm

You know, looking at that image... doesn't the guy holding the Space Trek book look a little bit like Geoff Johns?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 8, 2005, 11:31pm

I wouldn't know -- don't know what he looks like.

I loved Twilight Zone and Outer Limits. Those were great, great shows.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Dec 8, 2005, 11:33pm

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 8, 2005, 11:34pm

Potentially GJ.

Glad you liked the scan. It was a funny, funny issue.
Yawn. Bedtime for li'l KTH. Ya'll have a good night.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Dec 8, 2005, 11:35pm

Here's another one I found (looking them up via Yahoo image search)

[image]

and here, too

[image]

I think it is supposed to be him.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 8, 2005, 11:41pm

May I also add to that Dr. Roven, who was the doctor that operated on Kid Flash's knee cap and helped out Beastboy in his arc:

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 8, 2005, 11:42pm

There's a better picutre in the issue where they operate on Kid Flash wehre you can see it a little better too. Hair is different (slicked back), but otherwuise I see a resembelance.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 14, 2005, 6:50pm

I just thought I'd post this because I love Speedy's outfit and facial expression:

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 14, 2005, 7:09pm

*snerk*

I love KF's enterance. Just yapyapyapyapyapyapyapyap, "Needalift?"

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sasha on Dec 14, 2005, 7:13pm

SQUEE! She has a Powerpuff Girls bag! XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 14, 2005, 7:14pm

*squint*

Good lord, she does!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 14, 2005, 7:15pm

I do like Speedy's outfit. The camo BDU's look really good on her.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 6:07pm

[image]

Super sorry if this has been shown before, but I never laughed myself into a coma when I saw it. This was a loooong time ago, by the reckoning of BB's expression. I got it off of scans_daily just now.

Sorry it's kinda off-topic, what with the happenings going on...but I figured you guys wouldn't mind. ^^

...come on, you GOTTA dig Gar's hat.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 15, 2005, 6:08pm

XDXDXD

I like Star's shirt. *not thinking about the arrow*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 6:10pm

And if you're wondering, Kory's just talking about how Raven's opening up to them. I cut that part out because I didn't want it to be too big.

Gar's got haaaaaairy legs. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 6:30pm

I had shirts made for me like that.

...

I think I'll steal his idea for the pants too.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by moothequackingcow on Dec 15, 2005, 7:09pm

Oh, God...XDD
I'd like to see that...XDDDDDD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 7:13pm

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I think I'll steal his idea for the pants too.

He probably stole the idea from Dick, so no worries. XD

I just want to see how Gar went about making Kory where those clothes. XDD Being Kory, she probably thought it was all the rage..

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Dec 15, 2005, 7:15pm

Nice signature unifilter!

^___^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 7:19pm

Quote:

Nice signature unifilter!

^^ Thanks. I'm glad you all like it so much.

(And unifilter is a new type of a air-purifier. I'm unifilar. XDDD)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 7:51pm

Wow...

Talk about suggesting that Gar looks up to Slade...

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Beastboy sitting in Slade's hand, asking him if he's okay?

@.@

Wow.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 7:51pm

Dont' ask me about the costume either, I htink it was supposed to be a temporary thing.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Dec 15, 2005, 7:54pm

Ehehe, sorry. ><

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Dec 15, 2005, 7:58pm

Slade's been "busy."

XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Dec 15, 2005, 8:01pm

Isn't that Damage asking about Terra and Slade?

(and that's from Titans, right? I think I may have that issue. I redcently picked up a bunch of them but haven't had the time to read them.)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 8:02pm

Yeah that's Titans.

I jsut thought it was great they sort of acknowledged Gar's good terms with Slade following their "therapy" seesion at one point.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 8:03pm

Mwahahaha. I knew you were gonna post this.

On scans_daily, I think you'll see me asking, "And the reason Gar is changing into random animals is....?"

Gotta love that mouse, man. XD That almost tops the "We Love Gar" shirt.

I just love Dick's, "Maybe later...".

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Dec 15, 2005, 8:04pm

Dear god, I love Donna Troy in that scene.

I just hope they show her reaction to Gar and Raven sometime...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 8:05pm

Quote:

Mwahahaha. I knew you were gonna post this.

On scans_daily, I think you'll see me asking, "And the reason Gar is changing into random animals is....?"

Gotta love that mouse, man. XD That almost tops the "We Love Gar" shirt.

I just love Dick's, "Maybe later...".

He still does that actually, cahging into random animals. Always have.

Theory I support is that his low self-esteem and insecurity makes him wanna be something else than who he is.

It's like how he hides what he feels with his joking. He hides himself by becoming animals when there's no need to.

Check Johns' issues, he still does it. There's one where they're eating breakfast, and he's a bull dog, and another when they're coming back from a mission and he's a goat.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 8:09pm

Quote:

Check Johns' issues, he still does it. There's one where they're eating breakfast, and he's a bull dog, and another when they're coming back from a mission and he's a goat.

Aw. Poor Gar.

Couldn't he just pick one animal form and stick with it for a while, if he's insecure?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 8:16pm

Proof that Slade knows Bruce Wayne is Batman:

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And for somehting completely random.

What happens when Batman finds a lost child:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 8:20pm

XDD I love those scans.

"Bb-Babyman!!"

"And you will be very, very sorry. Forever."

The 'forever' was a nice touch. XD

Now how could people think he's insane?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 8:22pm

Whoa. I just noticed the lady's nasty-looking eyetwitch in the second-to-last panel.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 8:23pm

Some satire of a sorts from George Perez (this is a few years old).

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 15, 2005, 8:29pm

Quote:

Proof that Slade knows Bruce Wayne is Batman:

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And for somehting completely random.

What happens when Batman finds a lost child:

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HAH! I love how they just drop all their weapons. "We'll just wait here for the cops."

Then correct him on how to hold a baby. XDXDXD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 8:34pm

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HAH! I love how they just drop all their weapons. "We'll just wait here for the cops."

Then correct him on how to hold a baby. XDXDXD

One of those knifes resembles a nail-filer. XDD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 8:49pm

Here's a scan I /just/ caught at scans_daily. A sweet mention of Dick. XD

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 15, 2005, 9:08pm

Here are the posts, New Teen Titans Annual #3 (Godiva story) from 1987

Gar is hurt and Raven heals him
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Gar is grateful
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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Dec 15, 2005, 9:15pm

Oh, Gar. You and your cheesy jokes.

Maybe if you changed your hair then, she would've kissed you a long time ago. XDD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 15, 2005, 9:16pm

I agree. I have always liked Gar, but I really hated his hair until the current GJ series. I really like it now though.

Although it may be the ears, too. Lots of women like pointy ears on a man (a la Legolas in Lord of the Rings. Sigh.).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 15, 2005, 9:24pm

I love the smile from Beast Boys and Girls. You know... right after he gets changed back and there's a closeup on his little fanged grin. *melts*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 9:24pm

Oh man... need this. XD

So great! Thanks KT!

But I love those jokes! I mean, I like his dry sarcastic wit he sues more these dauys too. But back then I could always rely on him to say something corny enough to make me smile. ^^

And yes... the hair is so much better now.

And yeah I noticed the ear thing too. What's up with the ear thing?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 15, 2005, 9:27pm

Hm... good question. Probably somethign to do with the fact that mystical creatures have pointed ears, and are usually more naturally refined than humans.

Just a shot in the dark...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Dec 15, 2005, 9:28pm

"Ladies dig the pointy ears." - Beast Boy in Betrayal.

^_~

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 9:29pm

This one?

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 15, 2005, 9:56pm

don't you just love her bedroom eyes? That picture is priceless

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 15, 2005, 9:58pm

Yes it certainly is. ^_______^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 17, 2005, 7:14pm

Raven's Trip to Heaven, from The Titans #9, 1999, written by Devin Grayson, illustrated by Garza

This is the "golden spirit" incarnation of Raven after the Evil Raven has been destroyed.

This takes place during the Day of Judgement crossover event (which I don't know a lot about, but I have it on my "get it" list at the LCS).

Raven interrupts a private moment between Roy and Donna at the tower.
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Really depressing story. Donna agrees to help her
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Donna and Raven at Heaven's Gate (Donna gets kicked out too)
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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 17, 2005, 7:22pm

I'd just like to point out that Demons are simply Angels that picked the wrong side, so it can be argued that Raven is actually half-angel, considering the side she chose.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 17, 2005, 7:29pm

I also find it interesting that the Spectre played a big role in "Day of Judgement" and is now playing a big role in IC via "Day of Vengence". I'm not sure if the 2 are connected.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 17, 2005, 7:34pm

Depends I suppose.

I guess Devin is coming from the Protestant (Mostly Calvinist) inspired doctrine of predestination, where then of course Raven would not have had a choice and just been picked for hell.

on the flip side, there's the Catholic (and some Protestant) doctrines that hold ne's actions determines one's fate, and that God didn't plan out everyone's lives. I know at least in my own Catholic tradition (at least according to the Vatican), there is no pre-existing future and thus no fate. So not even God knows who'll end up where, not because of an incapability to do so, but because of it's unnecissity and irrelevance to his plan and the fact that there cannot be knowledge of what does not exist (if no future pre-exists, then there cannot be knowledge of it, since somethign needs exist to be known). The nature of hell is under question for us at the moment as well.

Theology discussions aside, THANKS FOR THE SCANS!

It's kinda said they'd choose to have raven be refused entrance into heaven. Give the girl a break! She could've gone up there and become the Titans' gaurdian angel of sorts for that period.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 17, 2005, 7:44pm

Either she's coming from a predestination point of view, or they had something entirely different in mind that they never played out. It's something I'm thinking about addressing in my fics (I like to fill in old plot holes).

I think it's possible it looked like heaven didn't want her. Maybe heaven was kicking her out because she still had stuff on earth left to do, but no one could tell her about it (optimistic point of view).

Or maybe that particular gate couldn't handle her, since her soul is not a human soul. I won't say "demon", but definitely something different. I mean, her soul did not go to any part of the afterlife even after her body was destroyed, like most people's would. Maybe "heaven", as we know it, is not an option because there was somewhere else for beings like her (not hell). Not sure, I'm just speculating on what Grayson may have been thinking as she wrote this. I'm still collecting this run of the Titans. I'm over 10 issues later, and it's not come back up again.

And you are welcome for the scans. I don't think a lot of the members here have seen them.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Dec 19, 2005, 7:02pm

From what I understand, this was the last Grayson touched on this subject. Raven appears very rarely in her run, although occassionally. But this is something that might have a bearing on the current series.

And I think this also confirms that Donna would be on Gar & Rae's side should they choose to pursue anything.

Girl needs something good happen to her, for once.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 19, 2005, 7:12pm

One reason why I did not collect that particular series until now -- without Raven, I had no reason to collect it. And BB wasn't even in it that much.

She sure does. the last halfway decent thing that happened for her before the current series was making friends with Joey. Unfortunately, that didn't turn out very well. Well, maybe being in a spirit body and being free of Trigon for a while. But what a terrible way to have something good happen

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 20, 2005, 6:41pm

OK, here are the scans where Kori and Raven are timesharing (as Pliskin so eloquently stated):

DC Showcase 1994, written by Wolfman, pencilled by Burdine

Not really fond of his Kori, but everything else looks ok

Kori is flying along, happy as a lark, when . . .
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The cops get nervous when they hear screams and start shooting. They hit the man. Kori is not happy.

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Kori pulls a Raven

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 20, 2005, 6:48pm

Woo. Tear-jerker, that.

Heh... Batman T-shirt.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Dec 20, 2005, 6:57pm

Aww, that was nice. ^^

But her eyes are huge in a few of those panels. She looks liek a bug sometimes. O.o

I don't think I ever read this showcase...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 20, 2005, 6:59pm

It wasn't part of the regular Titans series. It was part of a series called Showcase [insert year here] that DC did for a while. Kind of like Legends of the DC Universe in a way. This was #11 of 12 for 1994. I only knew about it from TitansTower.com's issue index. I had to get the LCS to find it for me.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by honeybear on Dec 21, 2005, 12:05am

Thanks for this thread. It's an excellent place to learn and relive moments in Titans history.

Thanks kthunter. That was poignant. *tear**sniff*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Dec 22, 2005, 12:06pm

Okay, I know this isn't TT related but, have anyone read this comic?

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 22, 2005, 12:49pm

Quote:

Thanks for this thread. It's an excellent place to learn and relive moments in Titans history.

Thanks kthunter. That was poignant. *tear**sniff*

You are quite welcome. It was one of the lesser known stories. I wanted to share.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Dec 22, 2005, 3:03pm

Sparky, did you get that picture from this site? There's a small feature on it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Dec 23, 2005, 2:02pm

No, I didn't. I got it from my friend's, and he said it's horrible, and weird. But, since you gave me the link, I guess I should start finding out what it's all about. Thanks.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Dec 30, 2005, 10:22pm

Hey, kthunter, you mentioned Legends of the DC Universe #18 in your latest fic. I was wondering if you perhaps had any scans from it? I am intrigued by the story.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Dec 31, 2005, 11:00am

Ugh, I just found out that I scanned (actually, I used a camera and took a picture of the page) 3 random pages from TT #15, and #20.

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I 'specially love #20. Tim had always been my favourite from the YJers.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 31, 2005, 11:16am

Quote:

Hey, kthunter, you mentioned Legends of the DC Universe #18 in your latest fic. I was wondering if you perhaps had any scans from it? I am intrigued by the story.

I can create them -- I might be able to do that later today or tomorrow. I will be happy to do that. The art in that issue is absolutely awesome!

Would you prefer it to be in the comic dump or on the TC thread?

(*currently thoroughly cleaning house for New Year party tonight*)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Dec 31, 2005, 12:40pm

Whichever you prefer ^_^

*is eternally grateful*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 31, 2005, 12:56pm

OK. Since it is pretty specific to TC, I'll put it in the TC thread (unless a moderator objects). I'll try to get that in later -- you are most welcome!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Dec 31, 2005, 1:05pm

*dances* Thank you!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by silverlullaby on Dec 31, 2005, 1:20pm

I have been scanning this thread from page 1 to this page. Very informative, and interesting. It's like watching a TV show. ^_^

I was just curious about something I saw posted a little earlier.

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When Cyborg asked, "Did I hurt her? That's all I care about." How did he mean that? In a bad or good way? I know it's pretty weird to ask, but I really have to get it out of my system.

---
This is part of the "Family Lost" arc I think, where Raven is brought back in a new body by Brother Blood Jr.

In this picture, the hospital is filled with Fortune Tellers who have gone into some sort of comas. They're surrounded by Raven's aura. She was trying to contact the Titans, but things went pretty crazy when she did because she couldn't control much of what was happening.

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Is it just me, or does anyone else take Gar's facial expression, and him going "I'd recognize it anywhere." as a sign? Or is it a normal thing and Gar is just being his usual old self and I'm overanalyzing things?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Dec 31, 2005, 1:26pm

I'm not really sure what to make of his facial expression, but the line just screams "*thumping heart of excitment*".

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 31, 2005, 1:42pm

Quote:

When Cyborg asked, "Did I hurt her? That's all I care about." How did he mean that? In a bad or good way? I know it's pretty weird to ask, but I really have to get it out of my system.

I remember this one. This is from the 80s Wolfman series. I think it was called "Titan Plague". Raven has been bitten by a werewolf and is herself turning into a lycanthrope. They are just trying to stop her from hurting herself and other people while she is in this state; she really doesn't know what's going on. She's being controlled. Cyborg had to do something to take her down but was really concerned about hurting her. It is hard to understand what he means without seeing the rest of the pages. I don't think I have that particular issue, or I'd put up the other pages. But I do remember some scenes from this one that was borderline Cy/Rae, mostly on his part, where he was really concerned about her getting hurt.

I hope that makes sense.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Dec 31, 2005, 1:44pm

What was so sad in Sparky's second scanned page?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 31, 2005, 1:48pm

Tim's father had just been murdered. His death actually took place in the "Identity Crisis" mini-series just before this issue came out. I just read that mini-series. Very sad.
Tim had come back to the tower at some point after the burial but didn't want to tell anyone. He was trying to be like Batman and be unemotional about it. Turns out he just couldn't (and shouldn't) do that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Dec 31, 2005, 4:50pm

Quote:

*dances* Thank you!!!

Hey there, the scans for Legends of the DC Universe #18, referred to in my fanfic "Coyote", are now posted on the Twilight Child thread.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by silverlullaby on Jan 1, 2006, 3:06am

I checked that out already. I love the scans.

Quote:

Yeah, I think it makes sense. So it was a good thing. ^_^ Thanks for the info KT.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 1, 2006, 11:26am

Any time. Cyborg and Raven's relationship has always been special, even if not romantic. They definitely have a connection, even now. If you have any other questions, let me know.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 2, 2006, 8:53pm

Dunno if this has been shown before, but I noticed it the other day and thought it was cute. And the ever-so-slightest bit BB/Rae shippy. Raven knows Gar's in trouble without even turning around. Awww. XD These scans are from scans_daily.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 2, 2006, 10:25pm

Yes, and that scene (from the X-Men/Teen Titans crossover comic DC & Marvel did in the early 80s) has actually been the basis for more than a few Beast Boy/Kitty Pryde fanfics...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 2, 2006, 10:52pm

I always loved it where Kitty talked him into being Lockheed the Dragon. It drove Colossus crazy that she told Gar about Lockheed. I've never seen any of the BB/KP fics. Might be interesting to read.
That crossover was great, some great Raven face time in that one.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 2, 2006, 11:20pm

I just ordered the reprint of that crossover. Looking forward to reading it again.

It's a shame Chris Claremont hasn't written anything for the Titans since then. The crossover was actually a pretty good story; he found ways to use pretty much all the characters, which when you are dealing with two seperate teams is actually no mean feat. Really made me wish he would write a little more Teen Titans.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 2, 2006, 11:24pm

This i so need to read... One of the major ones on my wish list.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 2, 2006, 11:29pm

If you want to get this crossover and don't know where it's been reprinted, it's collected in DC/Marvel Crossover Classics, Vol. I. Here's the Amazon listing:

Crossover Classics Vol. I

The same volume also has the other three early 80s crossovers, namely the two Superman & Spiderman team-ups and Batman vs Hulk.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 2, 2006, 11:30pm

It is really good. I bought it when it first came out (1985ish). The colors were really nice in it. It being the 80s, I grabbed a pair of 3D glasses and read it. Not quite a 3D effect, but WOW it made the colors pop out.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 2, 2006, 11:35pm

I believe it came out in 1982. I remember reading that Chris Claremont had been disappointed that he had written it before Terra was introduced, because he said he would have liked to have used her in there.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 2, 2006, 11:36pm

Wow. I knew about Batman/Hulk, but not the Spiderman/Superman one. Gonna need to get this...

Thanks for the link DT!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 2, 2006, 11:37pm

(*Checks indicia of issue*)
Yup, copyright 1982. I kept thinking it came out later, since I started collecting in 82 and didn't think it came out that same year. (*going senile*)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 2, 2006, 11:41pm

The Superman-Spiderman ones were a hoot. If I recall, one of the two had Peter Parker and Jimmy Olsen both getting fired from their newpaper photographer jobs on the same day, and so each goes across town to the other newspaper (The Daily Bugle vs. The Daily Planet) to find work. So, Peter Parker ends up working with Lois Lane, and Jimmy Olson winds up with one of the Bugle's reporters (and has a run in with J. Jonah Jameson). There were a bunch of other things like that, poking fun at the similarities between the two characters.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 2, 2006, 11:54pm

Hey! I was just looking through the information on the other three volumes in the Crossover Classics reprints, and discovered something I didn't know. In the fourth volume, there's a story with Galactus, Superman, the Fantastic Four... and Cyborg. No kidding.

Cr ossover Classics vol. IV

I don't know anything about the story, except that it probably came out sometime in the 1990s (which means its more likely to be Technis-augmented Cyborg, aka Cyberion, than the classic Cy). Gonna have to look that one up.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by firefly on Jan 3, 2006, 12:31pm

I thought this was funny. Scan from #27 when the Titans are bowling.

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/9307/116tc.jpg

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 3, 2006, 12:44pm

And just as a reminder, for those who don't pick up Outsiders regularly.

Outsiders #32 comes out this week as well. And the guest villian this issue is going to be... Blackfire. Yep, it looks like Starfire and Blackfire are going to be tangling it up. So, Blackfire fans take note; Starfire's sister is on the prowl again!

In case you missed it, here's the cover for the issue:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 3, 2006, 1:06pm

I get that one, so I can post a summary on the Titans Family thread on Thursday.

From the last issue -- we think Blackfire may have X'hal's powers!!!!!! Scary.

I also have a Batman/RedHood update that I need to post there, maybe tonight.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 3, 2006, 1:07pm

People were pissed about that, and Winick's complete lack of research.

For those who don't know, when Starfire and Blackfire last met they were on good terms. Here is one review that pretty much gets it:

I complitelly agree with Chris and jasonleo, the whole issue was very bad.

Starting with the art. I don't know what heppened, but as I was reading it, I actually loooked at the previous issue to see if the art team was the same. Why did it changed so much? I don't know anything about inks or art, but this issue was horrible.

And the story was kind of lame also. This book is getting nowhere, Roy's and Grace's conversation was horrible. Clearly Judd does not see a difference between the characters of Roy, Dick, Ollie and Bruce.

Roy is the perfectr leader for the Outsiders. Yes, Nightwing would be great as a coleader, but because he was rised by Batman has nothing to do with it. And apparently the Outsiders believed Dick did a prety lame job as a leader....we did not see that happening, but still, in issue 16 Jade took the leadership from him, and the rest of the team agreed. Now Grace thinks he is great leader?

Make up your mind Judd, show consistency in your characters.

The other thing that I really didn't like was something that I mentioned a few months ago.
Why is Blackfire acting that way. The last time we saw her, before her supposed death was in the Final Night, she actually was getting along with her sister, since Kory acknowledged her as the queen of Tamaran. In the last New Titans arc, she even helped the Titans defeat Raven, she was an ally. And just because she was missused in the Rann-Thanagar mini, I was hoping Judd at least would have researched her and know that Kory and Komand'r were in good terms the last time they saw each other.

I actually would think Kory still thinks she is dead. Why would, out of the blue, Blackfire attack her sister now? I know the story is not over yet, but I really doubt Judd would explain Komand'r actions. Its easy to just assume she is still a villain, like in her early appearances.

Every time a good issue comes and I have high hopes for the book (last issue was very good), its followed by a lame one that leaves me hoping that Jen Van Meter would take as regular writer.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 3, 2006, 1:15pm

Winick had better be able to explain the change, then.

I really want Starfire back on the Titans.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 3, 2006, 4:52pm

Kory's expression looks really weird. Like she's saying, "Whoa, our powers are too bright!" And what's up with the other hand gesture? Rather odd. Blackfire looks sweet, though. And some galaxy or explosion is happening in the backround. Cool.

Anything new with dear ol' Tony Daniel lately?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 4, 2006, 12:07am

Tony has an interesting recap of the past year (and how he got to be the Titans' artist) written up on his site. I haven't seen any new pencils posted. We'll see if he posts anything for #31. I think Nauck ended up doing 4 pages of #31 tho.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 5, 2006, 4:12pm

I still need to reqad it, but I got some stuff from the X-men and Titans crossover TPB.

1) First up, Raven has a nightmare about the Phoenix. She wakes up screaming. Starfire tries to calm her. Beastboy walks in on them, and wants to help out by helping Raven remember what the image in her dream looked like. Starfire, a little tired, sees it and acts before she thinks (as usual).

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2) Deathstroke is hired by Apocalypse to stop the X-Men from interfering with his schemes. Deathstroke, as always, does the job with little effort and gets the cool lines.

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3) And here, Starfire decides she wants to learn Russian.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 5, 2006, 4:16pm

The artist for that one had some really good renditions of Raven

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 5, 2006, 4:17pm

LUV Gar's jammies.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 5, 2006, 4:20pm

He wore a lot of stuff like that back in the Wolfman era. I wonder if he still has them. His clothes were an important defining point for his character. In a way, Raven's were, too, since she always dressed Indian-style.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 5, 2006, 4:29pm

I love Nightcrawler's reaction to Starfire's kiss of Colossus.

I just got the crossover in the mail today. I was going to read it soon and maybe post some more images.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 5, 2006, 4:30pm

Yes, THAT was hilarious. I also liked Wolverine's and Raven's initial reactions to each other. All in thought balloons, of course.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 5, 2006, 4:44pm

Heck with it, here's some quick scans. I'll try to get some more this weekend and put them in the Dump.

Deathstroke meets Wolverine:
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The two teams introduce each other (which actually happens more than half way through):

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Like I said, more later.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 5, 2006, 4:57pm

Got that one too.

1) Some Garfield stuff scattered about. The aftermath of being punched by Starfire, Gar realizing the X-Men aren't bad guys, and Kitty flirting a little:

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2) Kory and her desire to destroy the Phoenix, and a kiss for her Robby-poo.

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3) It's up to Raven to destroy the Phoenix.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 5, 2006, 5:08pm

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Got that one too.

Yeah, I just read the post where you said you found it.

If you want to post images, go ahead!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 5, 2006, 5:15pm

Wow, what's the luck of getting the same collection on the same day, eh? Lucky I was looking inside that TPB bin, I was going to order it myself this weekend. This saved me shipping and the wait.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 5, 2006, 5:21pm

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Wow, what's the luck of getting the same collection on the same day, eh? Lucky I was looking inside that TPB bin, I was going to order it myself this weekend. This saved me shipping and the wait.

My annual Christmas present to myself was a TPB buying binge on Amazon, which is how this one came into my hands. I also ordered all the JLA trades, so I could get caught up with that series too. Also the Zero Hour TPB, which I'm told was probably not worth it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 5, 2006, 5:27pm

Ah yeah. I did the same, though I'm still waiting on mine. Had I saw sooner than I ordered that they had this TPB I'd have added it to the list.

I'm waiting on Teen Titans The Future is Now, Villains United, Day of Vengence, The OMAC Project, and the latest JSA TPB.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 6, 2006, 1:12pm

What's the name of that TPB? It looks interesting though. I might order it from Amazon... if they have one.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 6, 2006, 1:13pm

Which TPB? The JSA one? Or theo one the scans came from.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 6, 2006, 1:17pm

Teh crossover one. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 6, 2006, 1:30pm

Amazon.com is your friend.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kyna on Jan 6, 2006, 1:31pm

WHat is TPB?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 6, 2006, 1:32pm

Trade Paper Back.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kyna on Jan 6, 2006, 1:34pm

o, thanx^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 6, 2006, 1:36pm

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Amazon.com is your friend.

Is that the one with the Titans or not?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 6, 2006, 1:38pm

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Amazon.com is your friend.

Is that the one with the Titans or not?

Check the bottom left of the cover.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 6, 2006, 1:39pm

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Amazon.com is your friend.

Is that the one with the Titans or not?

The Titans take up the entire bottom left of the cover... so yes, the Titans are in this one...

*Bad UF. You can't buy this now. You have to buy books for school, not comics.*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 6, 2006, 1:40pm

If I bought any TPB, it'd be Deathstroke the Terminator: Full Cycle.

Or Beast Boys and Girls.

Bad Suki. You need books for school. Not comics or a tablet. *slaps hand*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 6, 2006, 1:41pm

Tablet for Suki = good

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 6, 2006, 1:43pm

Not with my track record, it isn't.

I wonder if the Deathstroke TBP is of Deathstroke the Hunted, or of Deathstroke the TErminator...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 6, 2006, 1:56pm

I didn't even know there was a Deathstroke TPB. I just found it on Amazon, though.

DC needs to reissue that one.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 6, 2006, 1:57pm

Yeah...

I'd love a Deathstroke the Hunted TPB. It looks and sounds like a great series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 6, 2006, 2:26pm

Is that the one with Steve Dayton in it?

Dayton was actually shaping up to be one of Deathstroke's major advesaries. Had the series lasted longer, we probably could've seen beastboy interacting with Slade more often, and maybe popping up as a regular guest star.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 6, 2006, 2:28pm

Yeah, that's the one where Crimelord frames Slade for killing a senator. Got a whole army after him, actually gets captured, then Wintergreen and Co. rescue him. That's all in the prologue issue. Unfortunately, no other country will take him in, so he's pretty much going to be on the run from the entire world!

Interesting fan letters at the end of that one. One person expressed concern that Slade never gets to enjoy life. Something's always gong wrong, and thought that if he and Addie got back together, he might have a chance for happiness.

Which was bascially shot down with the fact that things are going to go wrong for him for a LONG time.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by piratechick on Jan 6, 2006, 8:05pm

*tap dances* My Dad took me in town!! I have 30 and 31!!! 8-)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 6, 2006, 8:42pm

Yay!!!!!!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 6, 2006, 9:42pm

O___O Dang, I missed the Titans on that cover. Oh well, time to order that book! ^^

Anymore recommendations for me? I want to collect as many TPB as possible before March comes.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 6, 2006, 11:03pm

Teen Titans The Future is Now, Villains United, Day of Vengence, The OMAC Project, Zero Hour.

I'm also a JSA fan, which is also written by Geoff Johns. I'd suggest starting with the first to get a taste of the series.

I wait for trades when it comes to JSA, although I want #81 because I heard it was one of the best and saddest issues yet.

Also a reference to how Stargirl got the influence for her costume from watching Captain Carrot cartoons. ^^

(Anyone who knows Yankee Poodle and Stargirl gets it)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by honeybear on Jan 6, 2006, 11:50pm

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Also a reference to how Stargirl got the influence for her costume from watching Captain Carrot cartoons. ^^

(Anyone who knows Yankee Poodle and Stargirl gets it)

I sure do get it.

They influenced an old Sim character of mine.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 7, 2006, 1:13am

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Teen Titans The Future is Now, Villains United, Day of Vengence, The OMAC Project, Zero Hour.

TT: FiN (lol) - Got that
Villains United - Still thinking
Day of vengence - Added to Wish List
The OMAC Project - Added to Wish List
Zero Hour - Still thinking

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by flyinggrayson on Jan 7, 2006, 6:36am

Sparky, Villains United is a must. It's probably the fan-favourite of the IC mini-series.
Have you tried Outsiders? Not as good as Teen Titans, but still entertaining.
You can never go wrong with Batman. 'Batman Hush' is good for beginners(since it's so purty and doesn't require extensive knowledge of Batman). Then move on to classics such as 'Year One', 'Long Halloween', and 'Dark Victory'.

OR, if you ever want a change from tights, capes and superheroes, you could always try out some TPBs from DC's Vertigo line. I started on Vertigo trades recently and I'm hooked. Some titles such as Fables, Y The Last Man, Swamp Thing, and Sandman are considered to be the best comics ever written. They do contain some mature content though, just as a warning.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 7, 2006, 9:15am

FlyingGrayson is right - VU is one of the better of those minis. That and OMAC. The other 2 I have but could live without. However, the recent Day Of Vengeance 48-page special that just came out was better than the entire 6-issue DoV mini put together, IMHO.

Batman Hush IS great. My mister got that one, as he is a big Batman fan.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 7, 2006, 12:10pm

All right. I'll order VU, DoV, and TOP tomorrow. Thanks for the tips. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 7, 2006, 12:14pm

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However, the recent Day Of Vengeance 48-page special that just came out was better than the entire 6-issue DoV mini put together, IMHO.

Difference of opinion, I suppose. I liked DoV, I think even slightly better than VU. And as I said, the upcoming Shadowpact series has me definetely interested. The characters, I think, were the deciding factor - I just found the Shadowpact more appealing as a group of people than The Secret Six.

Don't get me wrong, I liked Villians United and I'll probably try whatever spinoff comes out of it. But at this moment, I think I'm more looking forward to Day of Vengeance spinoffs.

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Batman Hush IS great. My mister got that one, as he is a big Batman fan.

Just picked up both volumes of the TPB. Looking forward to reading it. The Return of Hush TPB comes out next week, and of course, the whole Hush storyline feeds into Jason Todd's return (which is why I bought it in the first place).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Jan 8, 2006, 6:45pm

Hey kthunter on your image of kid flash and Raven when did that happen and do you have the scans for them?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 8, 2006, 7:00pm

Hi there lostkuki -- the images appear in the Twilight Child thread under Fan Stuff . . . they come from Legends of the DC Universe #18 from 1999 . . . the thread entries will list the rest of the info you need . . . let me see if I can link it for you...

Try this

http://aliute.proboards47.com/index.cgi?....35832484&page=2

DT: Return of Hush? Oooooh, gotta get that one.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by flyinggrayson on Jan 8, 2006, 8:57pm

I was considering getting 'Return of Hush', but everyone seems to think that the villain Hush has been overused in Bat-titles such as 'Gotham Knights'. I haven't really heard any positive reviews of Hush's character after his initial appearance in Batman Hush, so I'm gonna save my money instead for something that I know I'll enjoy for sure.

Oh, and thanks for telling me about 'Return of Donna Troy'....I've decided to skip that too, so you guys have saved me even more money!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 8, 2006, 9:19pm

Sometimes it's hard to know what to buy and not buy . . . comics are so expensive these days. When I started buying Titans, they were 60 cents an issue (*rocks in rocking chair*)

2.50 a pop puts a dent in my budget, too, when they do events like this.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 8, 2006, 10:16pm

Started reading Day of Vengence, and man, is it worth the buy. I hadn't read it before, kinda let it slip by, but its been enjoyable so far.

Favorite moments?

Bobo the Detective Chimp: That's pretty much when I took up to dinking in a serious way. And I spent most of the next fifty years as a drunk. Flash forward to now, when I'm a handful of idiots who think we can prevent the end of the world.

Mr. Zechlin: The world is--?

Bobo: I'm barely two days sober though, and massively hung over, so I apologize for any cranky pessimism you may detecting in my narrative. And the gas. Sorry, but I always get gassy when I attempt to dry out.

Black Alice: Oh my--! Dad, did you know there's a frozen monkey on the couch? And a hooker?

Mr. Zechlin: She's not a hooker.

Black Alice: She's dressed like one.

Mr. Zechlin: I think that's supposed to be some sort of super hero costume.

Black Alice: Dad -- I'm speechless.

Mr. Zechlin: Good, because we need to have the kind of talk where you listen and I do most of the talking. They seemed to think you were like them. Honey, are you some kind of super hero?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 9, 2006, 10:35am

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Started reading Day of Vengence, and man, is it worth the buy. I hadn't read it before, kinda let it slip by, but its been enjoyable so far.

Told 'ya it wasn't bad.

And since Kid Devil is joining the Titans, it wouldn't surprise me to find an occasional Shadowpact/Titans crossover in the works for the future.

You know, its kind of funny, but... I went into DoV with rather low expectations, and found it was a lot better than what I'd thought it would be. Villians United, on the other hand, has been getting tons of praise -- but in some ways it ended up disappointing me. I still like both series, but in the end DoV was a much more pleasant find to me than VU.

And Detective Chimp rocks.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 9, 2006, 10:38am

It's actually a good thing to see differences of opinion. I was not a fan of DoV, but I'm glad you guys are enjoying it. It did have a few good moments (like the ones Pliskin listed), but overall I just couldn't get into it. I liked VU much better (and was pleased to see a good example of Gail Simone's writing). I guess I liked seeing Cheshire again -- she was always such a cool villain.

In VU, I liked the play of villain against villain, and a pack of villains being forced into being borderline good buys. I really liked that one fellow -- I think he was Rag Doll -- just really cool to watch him move about.

I still think OMAC was the best -- it had some Titan goodness in it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Jan 9, 2006, 3:22pm

Thanks kthunter

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jan 9, 2006, 3:29pm

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Started reading Day of Vengence, and man, is it worth the buy. I hadn't read it before, kinda let it slip by, but its been enjoyable so far.

Favorite moments?

XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

OMG! That was hilarious.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 9, 2006, 4:00pm

Here the scans for those pages:

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And one of Enchantress, who I told Sora reminded me of her and the whole Li thing:

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If anyone recognizes the art style, It's Justiano's, the guy who drew the BEastboy Miniseries, and who's style you can see in my banner.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 9, 2006, 5:46pm

You know, you guys ALMOST have me convinced to go back and re-read this thing. Maybe I'll like it better the second go-round.

(*rereads #1 of DoV*) OK, now that I have read Identity Crisis and know who Jean Loring is, this makes a little more sense to me.

Detective Chimp is pretty cool.

(*rereads #2*) Hey, this is actually starting to make a little more sense. Blue Devil is funny. I like him as a bouncer.

(*rereads rest*) ok, ok, it's not so bad the second time around.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 9, 2006, 7:54pm

*adds DoV to her list of comics to buy on Wednesday*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 10, 2006, 12:18am

Ooooo.

The cover for 52 #1 has leaked.

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In the foreground we have Superman's cape, Batman's cowl and mask, and Wonder Woman's sword and lasso.

In the background we have Steel, Ralph Dibny (Elongated Man), The Question, Booster Gold and Renee Montoya. Black Adam (not shown) will also be a regular character in the series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jan 10, 2006, 12:25am

Woah, that's hard-hitting. There's got to be something to WW's sword being implanted in Superman's cape. Isn't there a rumor going around that Superboy takes up the Superman mantle after IC?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 10, 2006, 12:30am

*wets herself*

I swear, this whole thing is going to be the death of me, and the death of my wallet.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 10, 2006, 12:33am

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Woah, that's hard-hitting. There's got to be something to WW's sword being implanted in Superman's cape. Isn't there a rumor going around that Superboy takes up the Superman mantle after IC?

Sort of. It appears that during the OYL, Superman might not be around and the city will be protected by Steel and a new character named Supernova, whom a number of people have speculated may be Conner's new identity.

What's also ominious is that apparently Bruce Wayne and Tim Drake are also not in Gotham during that time. And no one knows what's going to happen to Wonder Woman, not to mention Hawkman, Flash, Nightwing, and a whole raft of other characters. So, the specualtion is... maybe they've all been mind wiped, like Luthor was trying to do.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by flyinggrayson on Jan 10, 2006, 6:01am

Basically, we don't know for certain where the JLA's 'Big 7' will be OYL, which has fueled the rumour about mind-wipes across the board.
But I think we can sleep easy in the knowledge that Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman will most definitely be back sometime soon; they're the three constants in DC comics.
Personally, I can't wait to see the Question in '52', since I loved him in the JLU cartoon but have never seen him in the comics.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 10, 2006, 9:26am

Hmmm... Remember in Titans of Tomorrow that GJ said that basically every line had importance. Future Titans East told our Titans that the Titans West had been influenced by 'Outside forces'. Could that have been the aforementioned mind-wipe? Hmmm....

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on Jan 10, 2006, 11:53am

Well, they did say that so many heroes had fallen during the crisis...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 10, 2006, 12:06pm

Yes, and I wonder if some of those future Titans had gotten a bit of a mindwipe themselves...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 10, 2006, 5:53pm

March is going to be one hell of a wait. I just hope they release some more images from the cover. I wanna know whose team my favorite couple is on, and what they'll look like. Seems almost certain Cyborg is off to the Justice League, so I may have to start picking that up soon, as well...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 12, 2006, 11:52pm

It hath deserved its own thread.

But I do not wish it to be closed, so this thread shall be the one to receive it!

I bring to you, courtesy of our friend KTHUNTER...

Matthew Kevin Logan - A Beer Man Restrospective

Matt Logan. Who is he, really? Does anyone really know? I suppose not. For many he is another face in the crowd.

But in reality, he is more than a man... he is the cousin of a super-hero.

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A man of many talents - missing work for extended of time, avoding rent payments for months on end, easy access to kegs.

When Gar first came to LA after a long exile, he met up again with his cousin from his father's side. The meeting was heartfelt.

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"Mi casa tu casa", indeed!

Through thick and thin, Matt stayed by Garfield, never afraid to offer him advice in the heat of battle.

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In the end, his loyalty paid off. For together with his cousin Garfield and the lovely Bette Kane, they bought a new apartment in Los Angelos.

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And soon they would find their destinies would lead them in a new direction...

Towards the Titans... Los Angelos! For a few weeks they would rock the world to its knees.

And here, now, never before scanned, are the events that would changes history for a couple of weeks!

TITANS LOS ANGELOS

What began as a normal day for Garfield and Bette would become history-

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- as destiny would unfold her hand.

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And with his great mind, he dubbed it - Titans Los Angelos!

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And as we bring our retrospect to a close, we leave with but one thing - Matt Logan's profile!

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by honeybear on Jan 13, 2006, 12:38am

Matthew Kevin Logan - A Beer Man Restrospective

That was frickin' sweet!

I hope Matt is still in continuity. I would love seeing him give Gar relationship advice about Raven. And I would really love to see Matt meet Raven. I wonder how they would interact especially considering that Raven is an empath. Poor Gar would probably be caught in the middle. *lol*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 13, 2006, 12:44am

I'd be more worried if he decides to introduce Raven to his keg... A drunk Raven? God help us all...

Far as I know, Matt is still in contuity, just unused. I'm surprised Geoff hasn't had him pop up yet, he co-created the cahracter along with Raab. He might just be saving him, we'll wait to see what OYL brings.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by honeybear on Jan 13, 2006, 1:08am

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I'd be more worried if he decides to introduce Raven to his keg... A drunk Raven? God help us all...

The image.... *lmao*

(Someone will have to make sure that Raven doesn't teleport while inebriated, because friends don't let friends drink and teleport.)

It would be a funny unexpected turn of events if Matt and Raven got along wonderfully. Just imagine Matt teaching Raven the art of video gaming.

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I have my fingers crossed for Matt to reappear. I hate to see just a fun-loving character go to waste.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 13, 2006, 1:53am

Gotta love Matt Logan. Thanks for putting up the scans Pliskin.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 13, 2006, 11:39am

Matt Logan's been getting lots of "please bring back" requests on Geoff Johns' board. There was a poll not too long ago that listed a whole bunch of unused Titans-related characters, and Matt won hands down. Hopefully Johns has been noticing.

Thanks for posting the Keg Party, Pliskin!
(Love Mary Marvel's appearance. I've just been reading some of Geffin's Justice League stories, where she was a member. Absolutely freak'in hilarious).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 13, 2006, 11:43am

Special thanks go to KTHUNTER for providing me with the scans.

And one otehr thing I had forgotten about - Lillith was there (as Omen)! And she got a pretty funny line, too.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 13, 2006, 4:33pm

She sounds more like Raven in that line than go-go boots Lilith, though

You're welcome. Anything to help out a Matt Logan fan!

Considering his reaction to Blue Devil, he'll probably be one of the first people she (Raven) has ever met that didn't think she was creepy on first meeting her.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 13, 2006, 5:00pm

Woah, you know, I never even thought about that. He'd probably tell her it was awesome she's half-demon.

... Ideas spawning now...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 13, 2006, 5:03pm

Then he'd probably spout some obscure Eastern wisdom that he read somewhere . . . it just seems like he's have tidbits stored in that brain of his (like the elephant game pieces that he identified in the story) . . . or Gar could come back after an audition or something and find them debating philosophy at a rate that would make thereaper green with envy...

(*huggles thereaper*)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 13, 2006, 5:05pm

Or he'd come home to Matt's special showing of Space Trek 2020 to all the Titans.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by bogbrush on Jan 13, 2006, 5:11pm

Is Matt a smart bloke then?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jan 13, 2006, 5:24pm

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XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

KEG PARTY AT BB'S!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 13, 2006, 5:32pm

Ha. Those scans are prety good. I was waiting for Gar to give up and just join the party. But he didn't- he barely cracked jokes throughout the whole thing. It was rather nice. ^^ The art was questionable- Gar looked stoned a few times.

That Bette girl was gettin' a little friendly with Gar, there. XD How long ago was this comic?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 13, 2006, 5:33pm

I love the little touches in that sequence. Captain Marvel Junior wearing a "HELLO! MY NAME IS" sticker... I think that's Ben Raab on the stage and Geoff Johns dancing on the floor...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 13, 2006, 5:36pm

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That Bette girl was gettin' a little friendly with Gar, there. XD How long ago was this comic?

2000. Bette is also known as Flamebird.

This was the story that was meant as the launch point for Titans LA, which was a proposal Geoff Johns and Ben Raab made to DC for a new Titans series. It didn't get accepted, but this give you an idea of the tone the series would probably have taken (more of a comedy than serious). In that series, Bette would probably have been Gar's love interest. And yes, Gar being the straight man to cousin Matt was quite deliberate.

It was the Titans LA proposal that brought Johns' interest in Teen Titans to DC's attention, and why he was eventually offered the title. And it seems that some of the plotlines he developed for that proposal are finding their way into the current series (such as BB as team leader).

EDIT: BTW, anyone else notice the disclaimer saying that "CMJ, Mary Marvel, and J.J. Thunder were underage" and weren't allowed near the keg? Which means, BB was suppose to be at least 21 in this story...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 13, 2006, 5:52pm

Yeah, I noticed. I was wondering about that.

I think Johns did it to keep the age gap between Raven adn Garfield a little closer. He's also one of the people at thead of IC, so he knew that he was going to jump a year forwar, and probably wanted to keep him in the early 20's so he's still not "too old" for Johns' TItans.

As for Matt, another reason I liked him is because he was there to make Beastboy the straight man.

When you think about it, Matt is probably what Gar would've been like by now had Gar never gotten his super powers.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 13, 2006, 6:44pm

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When you think about it, Matt is probably what Gar would've been like by now had Gar never gotten his super powers.

Matt moreso reminds me of TV show Beast Boy- I wonder if they did that one purpose?

Oh, I know what I felt thought was missing- Gar hitting on the girls, or in particular, Bette/Flamebird. I noticed that Gar has let up on the sleezy one-liners as of late as well- that would most likely be a result of his maturing into Johns' Gar.

...but this also means Gar won't flirt with Kory anymore. That's depressing.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by honeybear on Jan 13, 2006, 7:20pm

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...but this also means Gar won't flirt with Kory anymore.

Hallelujah!

8-)

Good riddance to that aspect of Gar's character.

Please forgive me, unifilar. I couldn't contain myself.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 13, 2006, 10:28pm

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Oh, I know what I felt thought was missing- Gar hitting on the girls, or in particular, Bette/Flamebird.

He actually was hitting on Bette in a good natured way (they were sharing an apartment, after all), but nothing ever became of it, and I don't believe it got shown in this story. There's a Young Justice issue not too long later where BB and Flamebird show up, and while Gar looks to still be interested, Flamebird says they were just "good friends". Flamebird, remember, has a HUGE crush on Nightwing; she became a superhero just so she could impress Dick Grayson.

Gar seems to stop doing the "hey baby" act whenever he zeroes in on one specific girl. He did it here with Bette, did it previously with Terra, and now seems to be doing it with Raven (can't remember if he did that when he was dating Jillian).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 13, 2006, 11:53pm

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He did it here with Bette, did it previously with Terra, and now seems to be doing it with Raven (can't remember if he did that when he was dating Jillian).

Not that I recall. I saw a scan of Gar with Terra (dunno if they were a couple at that point, granted), and he was flirting big time with Kory. He said something along the lines of, "Run away with me, my golden beauty, and lets have 128 and a half kids together." Terra told him to shut it, (a sign of jealousy?) so I thought they were together then.

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Please forgive me, unifilar. I couldn't contain myself.

...I'll let it go, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't show a lot of BBxKory hate around me. I like that couple. 0.o

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Flamebird, remember, has a HUGE crush on Nightwing;

Who doesn't? XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 14, 2006, 12:53am

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He did it here with Bette, did it previously with Terra, and now seems to be doing it with Raven (can't remember if he did that when he was dating Jillian).

No she's right, Gar still flirted with Kory when he and Terra were dating. IN the Judas Contract TPB, he bear hugs one of his tutors and starts flirting with her right there in front of Terra.

Flamebird he seemed to stop with, but after the Beastboy Mini, they only appeared together in the scans I posted, and I think two issues of Young Justice as guest stars.

But assumingly it's all once again just another sign that Beastboy has matured.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by honeybear on Jan 14, 2006, 2:07am

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Hey, I kind of remember that. I liked Gar/Terra and hated it when he would flirt with Kory. Also, I thought Kory was icky and her eyeballs were creepy. And when she flew through the air, I thought her hair was on fire. Robin/Kory seemed bizarre to me. I wanted Robin to be with Batgirl. So anyhow, I didn't understand why Gar would want anything to do with Kory.

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...I'll let it go, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't show a lot of BBxKory hate around me. I like that couple. 0.o

No problema.

It won't come up again but realize that for me: Gar/Kory = PTSD.

It's long story about repressed childhood trauma involving a Gar/Kory fanatic I sat next to in class who ate my comicbook (which I got from a guy that I had a crush on). ^x_~^X

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 14, 2006, 2:45am

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If I recall, Dick was there when Gar flirted with Kory, and Dick didn't seems to care at all. After reading that page again, no, Terra never showed any sign of jealousy or even told Gar to "shut it". Remember, this is COMIC Terra I we're talking about. Even if she's showed any sign of jealousy, that would be just an act.

I wonder whatever happened to "That, and he usually stares at my chest" habbit of his.

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I'll let it go, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't show a lot of BBxKory hate around me. I like that couple.

Don't mind if you like the couple for fun. But, I'd hate it when you go around the forum and say "BB/Kory are meant to be cuz I like them in the animated series so I should like them in the comics too! Gar always flirt with Kory... they're in LOVE!" Which of course you won't do that. XD

When was the last time gar being 'flirty' with Kory by the way?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 14, 2006, 10:55am

The last tijme Beastboy flirted at all was right before he gets possessed by Raven at the hospital. You see him flirt with a nurse. Nothing big, he just does The Point.

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Last time he said anything involving Starfire was when she was fighting Wonder Woman.

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Way, way back in the first few issues, he says something directly about Starfire.

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And even further back, first or second issue, was the last time he ever said anything to Starfire's face.

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The thing with Gar and Kory in the comics was that there was never anything really there.

Garfield "wanted" Starfire the same way any of us would want a Hollywood actress. He wanted her body more than her, which is probably why he never afraid to outright flirt with her in front of other people. He even knew he wasn't serious about it.

That and probably loved making Dick Grayson squirm, since Kory would usually go "Oh Garfield, you are so cute" or "Oh Garfield, you make me laugh".

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 14, 2006, 12:09pm

I thought so. It has been a long time since we see any direct interaction between Gar and Kory. Man, I miss Kory. =(

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 14, 2006, 12:11pm

I do too. She was always so sweet and emotionally open. I think they need that balance back. Forget the Outsiders, Kori, and come home!!!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jan 14, 2006, 12:13pm

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That and probably loved making Dick Grayson squirm, since Kory would usually go "Oh Garfield, you are so cute" or "Oh Garfield, you make me laugh".

And that is why Dick and Gar don't do any malebonding.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 14, 2006, 5:44pm

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Oh, love you dearly for posting those scans. ^^ Those are from a while back.

I suppose, that I ship BBxKory for the mere, "It'll never happen, but it's hilarious!" quality of it. Some of the lines Gar's used on Kory were just so gosh darn funny. XD Even if I do love mature Gar, I'll sorely miss those pick-up lines.

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Even if she's showed any sign of jealousy, that would be just an act.

XDD Yes, I know. I suppose I should've put she was 'acting' like she was jealous. No worries- I somewhat understand what kind of relationship Terra and Gar had in comics.

I've looked at the scan again and she says, "Leash it, slime-stuff."

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And that is why Dick and Gar don't do any malebonding.

I wish that could explain it. XD

Didn't Gar and Dick both have mullets at one point? Maybe not at the same time, but I thought I remembered Dick sporting that hairstyle...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 14, 2006, 6:18pm

He did. Ever see Batman: Gotham Knights, the animated series? he had one there.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 14, 2006, 6:21pm

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He did. Ever see Batman: Gotham Knights, the animated series? he had one there.

I don't think I did. Maybe I saw a picture of it or something...

Gar and Dick should look back and talk about how horrible their mullets made them look.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 14, 2006, 7:12pm

Actually I'm hoping the mullets are one of the things that get mind wiped during IC.

I'll try to get some video clips of Nightwing from the Batman Animated Series.

I wanted to post them anyway, since I liked his original voice actor and his theme music.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 16, 2006, 12:20pm

Since I just got my scanner back today, I guess I should contribute some of my 'own' scans on this thread.

Just for starters, I give you: Donna Troy vs. Koriand'r

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Sorry if these have been posted already. I always thought that hug at the end was adorable. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 18, 2006, 2:53pm

Due to IC #4, the Comic Crew seems to be a little depressed. So I dug up some old-school comic levity.

That's right, the scene where Mallah and Brain confess their love for each other!

(Background Info: Brain and Mallah broke into the DP headquarters to steal Cliff's [Robotman's] body for Brain.)

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Brain: Yes, well.. now we must destroy Robotman's brain and take our revenge on... Mallah?

Mallah: Yes?

Brain: Let's... stop pretending, Mallah... All these years, we've worked together, lived together-- I can't lie to you any longer. I love you, Mallah.

Mallah: You don't know how long I've waited to hear those words.

Brain: We mustn't be ashamed of these feelings. Kiss me, Mallah!

*le sigh* All the fluffy romance of a really bad fanfic. Ladies and gentlemen, the weirdest cannon pairing in Comic Book History.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 18, 2006, 3:12pm

AAAAAAA!!!!

You're giving me nightmares, Suki!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 18, 2006, 3:13pm

Yes, it is weird. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 18, 2006, 3:14pm

It is, yet I just can't help but find it cute in a seriously sick and twisted way.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by patriot1 on Jan 18, 2006, 3:16pm

I will have nightmares for a month now,thanks suki lol.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 18, 2006, 3:17pm

You're perfectly welcome. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 18, 2006, 3:26pm

To add to the fluffiness and help balance out the disturbed nature of that...

For all you Dick/Kory shippers...

Dick Grayson sleeping with Koriand'r, even though he's supposed to be in love with Barbara Gordon (thanks to Winnick for pulling that move):

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by patriot1 on Jan 18, 2006, 3:40pm

If I say she is hot,will I be a perv,screw she is hot,what the hell is dick thinking,that woman is a special woman and a keeper,you dummy.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by soraoathkeeper on Jan 18, 2006, 6:45pm

On the BRain Mallah thing...

W.
T.
H.

That is all.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 18, 2006, 7:18pm

I saw those Brain/Mallah scans a few months ago and it made me want to scrape out my eyeballs.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 19, 2006, 12:01am

Thanks for those scans Pliskin. Phew...

It certainly stops me from having nightmares.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on Jan 19, 2006, 9:19am

Hmm...I used to think that Winnick really messed up with that scene of Dick and Kory sleeping together, but now that I've actually seen it I don't think so. That line from Dick "I guess I just wanted to feel a little more...alive" kind of really hit me. He's feeling really insecure, and needs comfort from someone. It is possible to see this as just that and not have it completely throw a monkey wrench into the whole Dick/Barbs thing (although I kinda wish it did, since I support Dick/Kory all the way!).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 19, 2006, 9:43am

In other words, he's using Starfire.

He really is a Dick.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 19, 2006, 9:44am

Really?

I found it kinda corny and cliched. I think every romance where a couple sleeps together, they use that line. "You make me feel alive." Youand every other couple, Dicky-boy.

Winnick just made Dick into a smooth talking player. And when he's said similar things abotu the way Barbara makes him feel, it just really throws a wrench, to use that imagery, into Dick's character and his ability to stay faithful to one he loves.

Plus it just maes Dick/Babs and Dick/Kory shippers hate each other more.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on Jan 19, 2006, 11:15am

I guess it is kind of cliched, but I think it fit considering the situation. Indigo's death, his battlefield resignation, and whatever else he has or thinks he has messed up lately are probably getting to him. He probably didn't go to Kory with the intention of sleeping with her. One thing probably just led to another. Or at least I hope he's not THAT much of a jerk...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by patriot1 on Jan 19, 2006, 2:40pm

If he does,he will die !!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jan 20, 2006, 3:55pm

Well, atleast they used protection.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 20, 2006, 4:13pm

With as many times around the bend that Dick has been, I wonder if that matters. Who know what lurks below...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 20, 2006, 4:15pm

Just glad it didn't get that far with our favorite empath.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 21, 2006, 9:53pm

Out of boredom I present...

A look at my favorite heroes that none of you know probably know about! Call it a sort of top ten... only less because you know of most of them already.

Up first...

STARGIRL - COURTNEY WHITMORE

She's part of the Justice Society of America. They tend to deal with the heavy hitters. Usually apocalyptic sort of stuff. But it can be fun from time to time. I also love the mix of old generation and new generation.

Stargirl is one of the youngest on the team.

Recently, where these scans come from actually, she had an awesome issue. JSA #81. It was very well written and moving. I'd suggest picking it up.

Here are some good scans of her, and a little bit of her origin.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 21, 2006, 10:47pm

Notice that Courtney was watching Captain Carrot on the TV!! ("Yankee Poodle")

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 21, 2006, 10:59pm

Haha, yep. I think Johns has admitted several times he based Stargirl both on his sister (for rather sad yet honorable reasons), and on Yankee Poodle because he used to love Captain Carrot when he was growing up. That panel was like a wink from him to those who know.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 21, 2006, 10:59pm

I read somewhere that Yankee Poodle's costume was Stargirl's inspiration for her own costume.

I LOVE Stargirl, BTW ^_^ She is total greatness.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 21, 2006, 11:04pm

Yeah I think in DCU continuity, Courtney has admitted she got the design from watching "Captain Carrot and his Amazing Zoo Crew" as a child.

Stargirl and STRIPE also appeared in JLU: The Animated Series, in case no one knew about that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 21, 2006, 11:05pm

I believe I saw her in a least one epiosde. But there are lot of JLU episodes that I missed.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 21, 2006, 11:08pm

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Stargirl and STRIPE also appeared in JLU: The Animated Series, in case no one knew about that.

I know!! I was so depressed that I missed that episode! ;_;

Actually, Stargirl reminds me of my little sister ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 21, 2006, 11:13pm

So JSA is happening in current JLU continuity (more or less)?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 21, 2006, 11:27pm

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So JSA is happening in current JLU continuity (more or less)?

In the animated series, unlike the comics, there is no seperate group known as the JSA.

The Justice League was the first group of super heroes to come togehter.

When they expand, new members join. Along with Stargirl, the Justice League Animated also has Atom Smasher, STRIPE, Black Canary, Wildcat, and they made Hawkgirl a founding member (as well as change her origins, making her Thanagarian as opposed to a reincarnated Egyptian princess).

Hawkman was made into a bad guy, but is still alive. I'm not sure if he's reappeared. He's also been made into a full blooded Thanagarian.

Dr. Fate also appears in the series, but as a sort of reserve member. He helps out from time to time. His first appeance was actually in the Batman: The Animated Series. I think he's supposed to be Kent Nelson.

Power Girl was in the series, SORT OF. Supergirl gets cloned, and the clone looks just like Power Girl, except for the breast line. But the clone is one of the "bad guys" and the personality is completely different. I also think she was killed off.

Wildcat and Black Canary also have an episode together with Green Arrow, which was also written by Gail Simone (good episode, too). I think they cut Wildcat's connection to Batman, and I know Birds of Prey don't exist in JLU.

As for Mr. Terrific, Sand, Jay Garrick, Hourman, Sentinel, Jakeem Thunder, and Dr. Mid-nite, I don't think they've appeared yet.

But there are also alot of cahracters that pop up in the background, so I don't know, I may have missed them.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 21, 2006, 11:40pm

Whoop, nevermind, Snad did appear.

Here are some pics from JLU:

Sand

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Black canary

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Atom Smasher

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Captain Marvel

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Stargirl and STRIPE

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Apparantely, Hourman appeared in the series as well. Need to get a pic of that.

I forget if Black Adam and Spectre have, and no mention anywhere from what I've seen.

And Mr. Terrific is supposed to appear in an upcoming episode!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 21, 2006, 11:44pm

And some more:

Wildcat

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Powergirl (As Galatea)

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 22, 2006, 12:00am

I understand Geoff Johns has actually written some JLU episodes as well!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 22, 2006, 12:06am

Note on Galetea: I assume from the very Greek name that she comes from the same area as Wonder Woman. This is interesting because Galetea was a woman who was originally a statue. The artist Pygmalion carved her in teh likeness of Aphrodite, then she was brought to life by Aphrodite for Pygmalion. The term Galetea is used to refer to a woman who's been molded by a man into his "perfect woman". Given the severe lack of love for the male half of the species, this is an interesting name for an Amazon.

Unless you go with the version of the myth where Galetea got tired of Pygmalion and killed him.

Why is it that the less coverage a superheroine's outfit has, the better protection is provides?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 22, 2006, 12:10am

Suki-sama, that is an inversely proportional law that I have never, ever understood.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 22, 2006, 12:16am

Ah, that would be the Rule of Fanboy Inverse Proportionality.

That episode with Galtea is one of the only ones I've seen of the show.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 22, 2006, 12:17am

Was she from the same island as Wonder Woman? I don't know if she is, but the mythical name caused me to assume as much.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 12:20am

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Note on Galetea: I assume from the very Greek name that she comes from the same area as Wonder Woman. This is interesting because Galetea was a woman who was originally a statue. The artist Pygmalion carved her in teh likeness of Aphrodite, then she was brought to life by Aphrodite for Pygmalion. The term Galetea is used to refer to a woman who's been molded by a man into his "perfect woman". Given the severe lack of love for the male half of the species, this is an interesting name for an Amazon.

Unless you go with the version of the myth where Galetea got tired of Pygmalion and killed him.

Why is it that the less coverage a superheroine's outfit has, the better protection is provides?

Not exactly. You got the legend right.

She's named Galatea by Professor Hamilton, who clones her. He modifies her, and therefore sculpts her (in a sense) to be the perfect "weapon".

But she has no connection to Wonder Woman or her Greek roots. She's Kryptonian, or a clone of one anyhow.

And Dr. Midnite was in JLU!

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Hourman:

Dr. Fate:

Pat Dugan (He actually has some lines in the series):

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Pat and Courtney:

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And for DeTroyes and KTHunter (in case you didn't know), the female Dr. Light from CoIE is a member of the Jusitce League in JLU:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 22, 2006, 12:25am

If there's one thing I know, it's Greek myths.

In that case, the name makes perfect sense.

Nice way to adapt it for the feminists.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 12:29am

Oh ,and Geoff I think was supposed to write an episode of JLU, but hasn't for some reason.

Or at least, I've checked a dozen times and can't find the one he wrote.

Here's every writer for the show and the number of episodes they've written:

Writers
Name # Episodes

Kevin Hopps - 2
Keith Damron - 4
John Ridley - 1
Joseph Kuhr - 4
Len Uhley - 1
Paul Dini - 4
Stan Berkowitz - 22
Bruce Timm - 2
Rich Fogel - 9
Robert Goodman - 4
J.M. DeMatteis - 5
Andrew Kreisberg - 3
Ernie Altbacker - 1
Dwayne McDuffie - 16
Henry Gilroy - 1
Warren Ellis - 1
Gail Simone - 1
Darwyn Cooke - 1

There's nothing listed on IMDB either.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 22, 2006, 12:35am

Thanks for the pics, Pliskin. I have seen Dr. Light in the background of JLU here and there, but I don't think she was very prominent.

I like the way they did Wally in this series, though.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 12:42am

Oh and looks liek Thunder was in the series, just not Jakeem:

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And this is all I could get of Mr. Terrific for now:

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And I just realized how often the JSA pop-up on-screen together, as well:

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And looks like Blue Devil will be appearing:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 22, 2006, 12:43am

Is that Ralph Dibney I see in the purple and white?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 22, 2006, 12:45am

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Why is it that the less coverage a superheroine's outfit has, the better protection is provides?

Because it makes it very easy for the male antagonist to get, errr, distracted.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 12:46am

Yes.

There's an episode that focuses on Booster Gold.

In it, him and Ralph Dibny are shown as the outsiders of the league. Booster, because he's in it for the fame, and Ralph because there's already Plastic Man, and, as Ralph puts it, "The League doesn't have that much use for two stretchy guys."

I forget what the episode is called, but it's actually pretty good. It was a Booster Gold episode mostly. Pretty funny.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 22, 2006, 12:47am

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Is that Ralph Dibney I see in the purple and white?

Yes, it is. He wore that outfit during the Geffin era of Justice League.

Which reminds me. Has Max Lord ever showed up in JLU?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 12:52am

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Is that Ralph Dibney I see in the purple and white?

Yes, it is. He wore that outfit during the Geffin era of Justice League.

Which reminds me. Has Max Lord ever showed up in JLU?

Not that I know of.

Here's another shot of Elongated Man:

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And a pan shot where you can see some people like Obsidian, Blue Devil, Red Tornado, The Ray, and others:

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And Sand is in the background without his mask, though this pic is small and hard to see. He's behind STRIPE.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 22, 2006, 12:52am

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Yes.

There's an episode that focuses on Booster Gold.

In it, him and Ralph Dibny are shown as the outsiders of the league. Booster, because he's in it for the fame, and Ralph because there's already Plastic Man, and, as Ralph puts it, "The League doesn't have that much use for two stretchy guys."

I forget what the episode is called, but it's actually pretty good. It was a Booster Gold episode mostly. Pretty funny.

That's the episode where everyone keeps calling Booster Gold, the Green Lantern right? And some scientist guys turns himself into a black hole?

Good stuff. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 22, 2006, 12:56am

I remember that episode. It was really good.

Was that Osidian, as in the guy that sorta had a crush on Raven for a couple of issues in the Wolfman days? He was with Infinity, Inc., as I recall.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 12:59am

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I remember that episode. It was really good.

Was that Osidian, as in the guy that sorta had a crush on Raven for a couple of issues in the Wolfman days? He was with Infinity, Inc., as I recall.

Yeah, that's the one.

He's Alan Scott's son and Jade's (Infinity Inc., the current Outsiders) twin brother.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 1:15am

And other ones I've found from all this looking

:

Hawkman:

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Krypto the Superdog (not shown, he appears in a hallucination in an episode with Superman) and Streaky the Super-cat (in the series, the Kents just have a cat named Streaky):

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Cassie Sandsmark/Wondergirl (The girl is only called Cassie by name in the series and she appears repeatedly throughout the series as a "citizen in trouble"; it was confirmed that she was a homage to Casse Sandsmark, and was meant to be a much younger version of her):

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Barry Allen/Flash (Like Cassie, he's only called by his first name Barry, and he has no super powers, but is a police officer in Central City):

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Easy Company:

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Metamorpho:

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Huntress:

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 22, 2006, 1:17am

Thanks for all the looking! I never knew Obsidian was in there. But then again, I only started watching JLU when I started watching Titans, and I've missed a lot of episodes. I'll have to see if I can find him in some reruns (if they ever do them). I liked Obsidian!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 1:18am

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Thanks for all the looking! I never knew Obsidian was in there. But then again, I only started watching JLU when I started watching Titans, and I've missed a lot of episodes. I'll have to see if I can find him in some reruns (if they ever do them). I liked Obsidian!

Yeah. I was surprised Cassie and Barry Allan were there too... sort of. I wonder how many homages might be there.

More of "Cassie":

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 1:26am

HAH!

It's amazing what you can dig up.

In the episode, "Savage Time", we get cameos of Tim Drake, Cassandra Cain, Dick Grayson, and Barbara Gordon (who seem to be getting a little friendly).

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 22, 2006, 9:40am

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She's Kryptonian, or a clone of one anyhow.

From what I recall, she' a clone of Supergirl.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 22, 2006, 9:45am

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Which reminds me. Has Max Lord ever showed up in JLU?

Actually, he did. He was the man behind the Ultimen in the episode "Ultimatum"

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/bios/lord/

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 9:52am

Quote:

Quote:

Which reminds me. Has Max Lord ever showed up in JLU?

Actually, he did. He was the man behind the Ultimen in the episode "Ultimatum"

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/bios/lord/

Ohhh yeah, that was him. That was the episode with the Wonder Twins, too.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by munkyboi on Jan 22, 2006, 3:59pm

I like the Wonder Twins..... Maybe they'll become the next new Titans!... Well, at least I know they were part of Young Justice.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 22, 2006, 4:11pm

No. Not at all. We already have a space vixen, who's far more interesting than space twins.

And you know what they say about the Wonder Twins...

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by munkyboi on Jan 22, 2006, 4:13pm

Eeeeeeeww.........

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Jan 24, 2006, 3:55pm

seems like speedy will be making an appearance on the show
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/bios/speedy/05.jpg

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 24, 2006, 3:56pm

O.o

Wow... he looks, like, exactly the same as in TT. Only taller and buffer.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Jan 24, 2006, 3:59pm

i want to hear his voice

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 24, 2006, 3:59pm

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seems like speedy will be making an appearance on the show
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/bios/speedy/05.jpg

Holy shiznit!

What's the chance the other Titans will show up now!

... And hopefully Bruce Timm will be able to salvage some story lines!

This needs to be seen, not jkust linked:

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Jan 24, 2006, 4:12pm

Quote:

Quote:

seems like speedy will be making an appearance on the show
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/bios/speedy/05.jpg

Holy shiznit!

What's the chance the other Titans will show up now!

... And hopefully Bruce Timm will be able to salvage some story lines!

This needs to be seen, not jkust linked:

[image]

sorry i didnt know how to show it

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Jan 24, 2006, 4:15pm

i got more but how do i put it up so you guys can see it?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 24, 2006, 4:19pm

Got it covered.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 24, 2006, 4:20pm

You know, I'm beginning to see why he has a fangirl base. ;3

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 24, 2006, 4:20pm

Very nice. They didn't happen to list air dates, did they? I haven't seen JLU in soooooo long.

And I can easily see that version of Speedy turning into Arsenal at some point.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 24, 2006, 4:23pm

OMG!!!!!!!! Hells yeah!!!!

*dies* YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Jan 24, 2006, 4:24pm

Pliskin MacReady thanks

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 24, 2006, 4:26pm

They defaintely gave him more muscle for this appearance.

I wonder, then, if this is suppose to be him years later? Maybe we'll get a chance to see other older Titans...

Or not since JLU is also getting cancelled. :-[

I wanna see Timm versions of the Titans.

No air date but Mr. Terrific is in the episode!

85. Patriot Act (edit)
First aired: 0/0/0
Writer: Matt Wayne
Director:
Guest star: Michael Beach (Mr. Terrific), Kin Shriner (Green Arrow) , J.K. Simmons (General Eiling), CCH Pounder (Amanda Waller)

Green Arrow must lead a team of non-powered superheroes against a berserk super-soldier attacking Metropolis.

And the Legion of Super Heroes is mentioned I thinK!

87. Far From Home. (edit)
First aired: 0/0/0
Writer: Paul Dini
Director:
Story: Dwayne McDuffie
Guest star: Matt Czuchry (Brainiac 5), Googy Gress (Bouncing Boy)

Supergirl gets abducted to the 31st centry where it is destined she will experience her last mission.

(I think Brainiac 5 is on Legion, right?)

AND OMG, LINDA PARK!

83. Flash and Substance (edit)
First aired: 0/0/0
Writer:
Director:
Guest star: Michael Rosenbaum (Flash/Wally West (Seasons 1-2, 4+)), Walter Lang (Captain Cold), Ron Perlman (Orion) , Mark Hamill (The Trickster), Kim Mai Guest (Linda Park), Alexis Denisof (Mirror Master), Donal Gibson (Captain Boomerang)

The Flash must handle an onslaught of super-villains during the opening of a museum in his honor.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 24, 2006, 4:28pm

Quote:

Or not since JLU is also getting cancelled. :-[

I wanna see Timm versions of the Titans.

What??!! No!!! I didn't know that JLU was cancelled!!

*weeps*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 24, 2006, 4:30pm

It got cancelled along with Teen Titans. THis is supposedly the last season.

but if the series finale ends with Supergirl in the 31st century on the Legion of Superheroes, I guess we can expect that show to start up sometime soon.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 24, 2006, 4:32pm

*sigh* ;_;

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jan 24, 2006, 4:36pm

Quote:

Got it covered.

[image]

Please excuse this n00bish post...

OMGWTFBQQ!11111111 8-)

I can't believe they're putting Speedy on there... and he's OLDER!!! ^________^

Quote:

They defaintely gave him more muscle for this appearance.

I wonder, then, if this is suppose to be him years later? Maybe we'll get a chance to see other older Titans...

Or not since JLU is also getting cancelled. :-[

I wanna see Timm versions of the Titans.

That... would... ROCK!!!! 8-)

I want to see older BB.

...That is if they weren't going to cancel JLU, too! >:(

DAMN YOU ~~SLADE~~ CN!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 24, 2006, 4:41pm

I'm sure Slade doesn't want the show canceled anymore than we do. He IS in it.

Then again, they more or less flattened his character while improving his costume... He MIGHT want it canceled now that I think about it...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 24, 2006, 4:47pm

And here's Linda Park:

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 24, 2006, 5:17pm

Nice rendition of Linda

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jan 24, 2006, 5:35pm

What's with the Matrix Background?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 24, 2006, 6:09pm

Quote:

Then again, they more or less flattened his character while improving his costume... He MIGHT want it canceled now that I think about it...

Of course not. He still wants his chance with Arella, right?

(Darn it, I've become an Arella/Slade shipper...)

And other than a buff bod, JLU Speedy is a replica of TT Speedy. Nice.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 24, 2006, 6:21pm

Quote:

Quote:

Then again, they more or less flattened his character while improving his costume... He MIGHT want it canceled now that I think about it...

Of course not. He still wants his chance with Arella, right?

(Darn it, I've become an Arella/Slade shipper...)

And other than a buff bod, JLU Speedy is a replica of TT Speedy. Nice.

I just keep sucking them in... *thunder/lightning*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 24, 2006, 6:41pm

I just read elsewhere that they used the same voice actor for the JLU epiosde as they did on Titans.

So, does anyone else think they are trying to position Teen Titans as happening just before JLU?

EDIT: BTW, will this be Linda Parks' first appearance on the series?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 24, 2006, 6:44pm

Quote:

I just read elsewhere that they used the same voice actor for the JLU epiosde as they did on Titans.

So, does anyone else think they are trying to position Teen Titans as happening just before JLU?

EDIT: BTW, will this be Linda Parks' first appearance on the series?

Yeah, it was her first appearance. I think they just meet. But this episode has only aired in the UK.

As for the Titans connection, it's hard to say. There's some indication Speedy is older here. He's actually a teenager, as in late teens. So it seems a few years may have p[ast, in which case this does connect JLU to Teen Titans and depicts the Teen Titans as coming togehter before the Justice League did.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 24, 2006, 6:45pm

Oh, and we supposedly get a shot of the Kid Flash uniform in the same episode.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 24, 2006, 6:50pm

Quote:

Quote:

Oh and of course it just occurred to me that it would have to, as Wally West is older and now calling himself The Flash. That'd be the most obvious giveaway.

Also, in JLU's timeline, Dick Grayson IS Nightwing. He was Nightwing right before JLU begins.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jan 24, 2006, 7:23pm

Quote:

So, does anyone else think they are trying to position Teen Titans as happening just before JLU??

Given how many people I've seen on another board want and try to bend over backwards trying to force TT into the DCAU continuity (plenty of people somehow think Teen Titans is a prequel to the original Batman series. That's just based on Dick Grayson's history and Michael Rosenbaum voicing Kid Flash), I'm not all that surprised.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by honeybear on Jan 24, 2006, 11:45pm

I would've loved to see the JLU version of the Teen Titans. Aw well, wishful thinking....

Brain/Mallah: That's the greatest love story ever. Bwahahahaha!

These scans are from a DC secret origins digest. It's pre-Crisis Robin's [Dick Grayson] origin.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 25, 2006, 12:23am

Here's a little bit of Toon Titans oddness:

In 1997, DC launched a one-shot called Titans: Scissors, Paper, Stone. This was an attempt to create a new version of Teen Titans, but in a very manga-esque style. The main characters were teenages in the far future, who form a superhero team and model themselves after the heroes from "some ancient comic books" (Teen Titans, probably the Wolfman era). The four main Titans they modelled themselves after were Robin, Raven, Starfire, and Cyborg (sorry, no Beast Boy). Anyway, look at the charicatures of the original Titans at the bottom of the one-shot's cover; don't they look almost just like our modern animated Titans?

[image]

Remember, this was released six years before the animated series began.

Me thinks someone was thinking about manga-style Teen Titans for a very long time.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 25, 2006, 12:29am

Yeah I remember this. The lack of beastboy pissed me off greatly.

There was a small era when DC tried to emulate what the saw as the probable success of Manga. t would not surprise me if some aspects of that became the template for the anioamted series, though it was rather obscure.

Actually, now getting a look at it so many years later, I see that the resemblance is rather... close... in a creepy sort of way...

BUT NO BB!

(That's why it would have never worked.

)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 25, 2006, 12:32am

It was only a one-shot, and released under the "Elseworlds" banner at that. Obviously, it must not have sold all that well, because they didn't do anything more with it.

But those caricatures.... they look just like something you'd see in TTG these days (although Starfire's is the least like her animated self) (but Raven's is almost spot on, except for the skin color).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 25, 2006, 12:36am

People just weren't ready for manga back then. Certainly not from DC. Not like they are now, anyway. I was just becoming aware of manga and anime myself, at the time. Even then, I think I compared it to Sailor Moon at the time, since that was probably the only anime I ever really knew about.

... My friend had two older sisters, before i get grief over mentioning that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 25, 2006, 12:46am

Oh, man... what was that title I saw? It was some DC comic, and it was VERY anime! I think there were attacking chibis or something, and the main villian was Annie Mae. I almost died laughing.

They kicked me out of the library before I could check it out. T_T

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 25, 2006, 12:49am

Quote:

Oh, man... what was that title I saw? It was some DC comic, and it was VERY anime! I think there were attacking chibis or something, and the main villian was Annie Mae. I almost died laughing.

They kicked me out of the library before I could check it out. T_T

No that was something, Spyboy (from Darkhorse). Annie Mae was one of his villains.

I posted those chibi scans in the Titans Comic Dump a few months ago. It was a crossover with Young Justice.

This was more of a cliche of bad manga. Space adventures and all that jazz I think. I only flipped through it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 25, 2006, 12:50am

Right... But still, the concept was good. The execution would take some doing.

Kind of like how making the TT show drawn in JSL style would have been a difficult storyline to work with.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 25, 2006, 12:51am

You can see the opening to that comic with the chibis here:

http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/preview.php?theid=11-300

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 25, 2006, 12:52am

Quote:

Right... But still, the concept was good. The execution would take some doing.

Kind of like how making the TT show drawn in JSL style would have been a difficult storyline to work with.

JSL?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 25, 2006, 12:52am

I don't care who drew them. Evil Chibis rawk.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 25, 2006, 12:53am

Quote:

Quote:

Right... But still, the concept was good. The execution would take some doing.

Kind of like how making the TT show drawn in JSL style would have been a difficult storyline to work with.

JSL?

Sorry. That's how I abbreviate Justice League.

Don't ask. I'm just weird.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 25, 2006, 12:58am

Actually the two animations are very similar. Just look at the Speedy in the JLU episode. Pretty much the same, only they buffed him up to make him look older.

The big diffrence would have been the absence of the anime effects. At least the comical ones. Character designs might've differed slightly as well.

With that sort of animation, though, the storytelling would probably have been more serious. Or at least the jokes would be less wacky.

I'd rather get a whole new set of animation moving away from Timm and Titans. Something, more original to animation... yeah, something new!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 25, 2006, 1:01am

Translation: He more or less agrees with me. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 26, 2006, 7:14pm

The answer to the question I've been asking since the first time Beast Boy morphed-

[image]

Dunno if that's been posted, but I spotted it at a BB fan site.

I was kinda hoping for a more Animorph-like answer....but that works too.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 26, 2006, 7:27pm

What's the animorph's answer? I actually read part of that series as a kid, when the very first one came out... but that feels like ages ago now.

I don't know if that answer still stands, they should actually readress it (like KT did). That was way back in the what? Sixties?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 26, 2006, 9:07pm

Here are the scenes from Joe's funeral where BB mentions Raven. It is very, very brief.

*******************
Mullet Warning
*******************

The New Titans #85
"Dirge" - Marv Wolfman and Tom Grummett

opening page
[image]

The priest talks some more about heroes in general, then:

[image]

Why, oh why, doesn't Raven get a funeral? Poor kid. Even in death, she didn't get any respect from the older Titans. She also died without any control.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jan 26, 2006, 9:17pm

I think that I would be more moved if it weren't for Gar's horrible mullet distracting me.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 26, 2006, 9:21pm

Sorry. I forgot to warn you about the mullet.
I added a warning.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 26, 2006, 9:30pm

Wow, what's with Dick being a... well, living up to his name, there. Not even an answer, he just crushes it off. I'm surprised I don't remember that when I read the issue...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 26, 2006, 9:31pm

Quote:

Sorry. I forgot to warn you about the mullet.
I added a warning.

If only people came with Mullet warnings... ^_^

Hmm, I've got some comic appearances of BB and his mullet from one of my Deathstroke comics. I should get it scanned and posted sometime.

Granted, I'll have to trek down the street to do it. Maybe this weekend...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 26, 2006, 9:42pm

Don't forget to precede it with a mullet warning. MY EYES

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 26, 2006, 9:51pm

I'm surprised Pantha and Red Star came in uniform when no one else did.

I'm more surprised Dick and Donna are there with the others out of uniform. I mean, of course Slade knows their identities, but it's pretty out in the open in those shots. Kinda risky.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 26, 2006, 9:52pm

I don't think Pantha had anything else to wear. But it looked like a start to their relationship right there.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 26, 2006, 9:55pm

Quote:

I don't think Pantha had anything else to wear. But it looked like a start to their relationship right there.

Poor girl, you'd think they'd offer her somethign to wear at least.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 26, 2006, 9:59pm

You'd think.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 26, 2006, 10:18pm

Quote:

Quote:

Sorry. I forgot to warn you about the mullet.
I added a warning.

O.o

YOu have Deathstroke comics?

*chokehold*

GIMME!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 26, 2006, 10:24pm

*is choked*

Yes *kaf* I do *ugh* but they're the Deathstroke the Terminator ones *argh* not the ones you want to collect.

I've only got *ack* like two or... three...

*blacks out*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 26, 2006, 10:34pm

More than I have. I only have one of Deathstroke the Terminator.

*slap slap*

Wake up! Have you got any of Deathstroke's World Tour?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 26, 2006, 10:43pm

*wakes up*

I don't remember... I'll check the crate.

*drags out milk crate full of comics from under desk*

*flips through*

I own Deathstroke the Terminator #15, 21 and 22

#15 cameos the titans, and is all about Slade's past and (as of this comic's printing) his possible white haired daughter... ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 26, 2006, 11:55pm

You know, I just discovered that my LCS has a large number of those issues for sale at about $3.00 each. I've been debating whether or not to pick them up.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 27, 2006, 5:04pm

Quote:

Wow, what's with Dick being a... well, living up to his name, there. Not even an answer, he just crushes it off. I'm surprised I don't remember that when I read the issue...

Meh. I didn't really find anything wrong with his comment. I liked that Gar went to Dick to answer that question, too.

And Gar also mentioned Danny. Who's Danny?

Quote:

What's the animorph's answer? I actually read part of that series as a kid, when the very first one came out... but that feels like ages ago now.

Oh, gee...-thinks- I think it has something to do with their clothes becoming part of the morph...that the technology just morphed the clothes along with the human. As long as it was skin tight.

Animorphs forever. XDD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 27, 2006, 5:11pm

Danny was Danny Chase, a very junior member of the Titans at the time. He had telekenitic powers. He and Arella died stopping the crazed Azarathians who had taken over Raven (after they departed Joey).

He was Phantasm for a while. We saw his zombie in #31 (the one with the sheet and the glasses).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 27, 2006, 5:11pm

I know you're a Dick fan, but even you gotta admit he didn't even answer the question. gar asks why Danny Chase and Raven aren't having funerals, when Joey is getting one. All he says is that in their line of work, people die.

Yeah... and? Why no funeral? He didn't even answer.

Ironically, Tara, the big traitor, got a funeral, but Raven (at least of her own volition) and Danny never betrayed the team. You'd think they would each get one.

EDIT: Not to mention it was Raven who brought the Titans together in the first place. There wouldn't be a Titans without Raven. She deserves rememberance more than anyone else.

EDIT 2: Of course Joey was possessed too... made an edit.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 27, 2006, 5:13pm

I thought the Titans were real jerks after that. Or, at least, the editorial team was portraying them as jerks. Raven was even more a victim of the Wildebeests than they were. It was the Azarathians that were the danger there, not her.

I'll stop ranting now.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jan 27, 2006, 5:52pm

Yeah, this was the era when Wolfman was running on empty, the editors had weird ideas about what to do with the characters, said editors and ideas kept changing every six or so issues, and Ben Jasska was the main artist (whom even Wolfman detested). Not too long after this point was when I just stopped.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 29, 2006, 3:45pm

Okay, I hijacked my friend's scanner and got two pages from one of my Deathstroke comics up here.

WARNING: MULLET! AND A LOT OF IT!!!

------------------------------------------------

Beastboy talking/yelling at Terra, and he interestingly enough calls Slade a friend. It's a pretty decent scene if you don't pay the hair any attention.

[image]

Beastboy having a little cleansing time talking to a passed out Slade.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 29, 2006, 3:46pm

Um... those are unreadable. Think you could try Imageshack?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 29, 2006, 6:31pm

Previous post has been edited to show bigger pictures. I used my friends photobucket account, she has one of them fancy pay accounts... ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jan 29, 2006, 6:44pm

Quote:

Okay, I hijacked my friend's scanner and got two pages from one of my Deathstroke comics up here.

WARNING: MULLET! AND A LOT OF IT!!!

------------------------------------------------

Beastboy talking/yelling at Terra, and he interestingly enough calls Slade a friend. It's a pretty decent scene if you don't pay the hair any attention.

[image]

Beastboy having a little cleansing time talking to a passed out Slade.

[image]

Okay, now I strongly believe that Slade was more of a father-figure to BB then Dayton will ever be.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jan 29, 2006, 7:02pm

Quote:

Okay, now I strongly believe that Slade was more of a father-figure to BB then Dayton will ever be.

Amen to that.

And I know I'll be shot for saying this- but poor Tara.

And yay for more Gar-growing-up-ness.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Jan 30, 2006, 12:58am

I've always loved Gar and Slade's father/son relationship. But, the art, man, his mullet! Why!?!? D=

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 30, 2006, 10:42am

Aww... It was mean the way he told off Tara, but that next page was adorable!

...

Gar should have been is surrogate son. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Jan 30, 2006, 10:46am

Quote:

Aww... It was mean the way he told off Tara, but that next page was adorable!

...

Gar should have been is surrogate son. ^^

Sometimes I do think that's the direcrtion it was going to head. A sort of Gar teaches Slade how to be a good person, Slade helps Gar realize that he's more capable than he he gives himself credit for being.

But then Slade snapped after Wintergreen's death and douses Bludhaven in radioactive waste, so any chance of that happenning is dead.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jan 30, 2006, 11:29am

I want the old Slade back. (*sniff*) and Wintergreen (*sniff sniff*)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 30, 2006, 11:33am

Quote:

Quote:

Aww... It was mean the way he told off Tara, but that next page was adorable!

...

Gar should have been is surrogate son. ^^

It woul

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 1, 2006, 1:01am

It seems DC is trying to drum up interest in The Outsiders. They are going to reveal their new OYL line up one new character a week between now and the debute of the first OYL issue. So, this is what the cover looks like now on the website:

[image]

Is that Metamorpho or Shift there?

Or perhaps (as some have suggested), its actually both now merged together?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 1, 2006, 1:03am

Hey, what just happened?

Something like a day's worth of posts on this thread have just disappeared.

)(*&&*^%&^%( Proboards.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Feb 1, 2006, 1:06am

Holy crap! What just really happened!? I'm serious, I couldn't find my today's post, and most of yesterday's posts are gone! O_O

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 1, 2006, 1:09am

It looks more like Metamorpho, but the suggestion that they might merge is a good possiblity.

Comparison:

[image]

The "segments" on Shift's body are much less distinct than they are on Metamorpho.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 1, 2006, 1:11am

Quote:

Holy crap! What just really happened!? I'm serious, I couldn't find my today's post, and most of yesterday's posts are gone! O_O

That's what I was saying.

I went to post my thing about The Outsiders, saved it, but then when I went to look it over... I found a whole mess of posts gone. And the last post before the drop off looks like it got slagged as well.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 1, 2006, 1:12am

What, is proboards doing an "upgrade" again?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 1, 2006, 1:16am

Perhaps. If not an upgrade, maybe some kind of memory loss from the maintenance? Seems to be only this thread at the moment.

To add to my previous post, the eyes are different, I just realized. Rex Mason has white pupils, Shift has black pupils. But the body is more like Metamorpho's.

So I think the merge might be what happens. Hard to say which persona takes over, Shift or Metamorpho. Might be Shift if he's staying on the Outsiders, merging him with Metamorpho might just be a way of closing the door on the critics who say he should have just used Rex instead of this Shift on the Outsiders.

Though a schitzo team mate might be the otehr reason to go with this route.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Feb 1, 2006, 3:18pm

nightwing will make a brief apperence on the justice league here's a pic does anyone recognize the place ^ . ^
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/n8twing/jlu_nightwing4.jpg

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 1, 2006, 3:23pm

I see they kept the mullet.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Feb 3, 2006, 2:22pm

I just saw the episode where the League travelled into the future... again, and where they met the Legion of Super-Heroes (aka "Far From Home").

The episode itself is centered on Supergirl. Most of the Legion members were captured by the Fatal Five, so Brainiac 5 and (remember that "That guy, is an ASS" guy?) brought 3 random League members (Supergirl, GL, and Green Arrow) for help.

And... Supergirl falls in love with Brainiac 5 in the process. XD

Here are some screencaps:

Brainiac 5 and Bouncing Boy
[image]

More Brainiac 5 and Bouncing Boy
[image]

The legion
[image]

Kaara and Brainiac 5
[image]

Brainiac 5 shows Kara the Legion Flight Ring
[image]

Eh? XD

The Fatal Five
[image]

The League and the Legion
[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 3, 2006, 11:17pm

Quote:

so Brainiac 5 and (remember that "That guy, is an ASS" guy?)

So, is this Brainiac 5 an ass as well?

Hmmm. I wonder if they're going to try to use this episode as the jumping off point for the Legion of Super Heroes series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Feb 4, 2006, 8:52am

So..........Will Leagion have the JLU-style animation? Or will it go with the Anime`-ish style of TT and The Batman? I personally hope it's not the former, let's face it, it's getting kind old since that style's been in use for over ten years.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 4, 2006, 9:00am

Actually its been in use for 9 years come this September.

And technically, even though the style is the same, its only been in use for 5 years come this Spetember.

2001 is when they began to use computers in their animation process. The style may look the same, but the aniamtion, mostly in the backgrounds and effects, changed dramatically.

And I think they might be sticking with the more Americanized animation rather than going with the rip-off anime style.

Plus the argument that the style is old doesn't really work. If it works, it works. Anime in general has tended to keep the same style for years, with variations depending on genres or artists. Even then they are not always that different. The hair, the eyes, the body shapes, the skin tones, they're usually very similar across decades and among series within their genres.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 4, 2006, 9:37am

I like the current JLU animation and the style of the stories. The production crews seem to take the stories more seriously with that particular style. I'd like to see more episodes! And I wouldn't mind seeing the next version of the Titans in that style, either.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 4, 2006, 9:51am

Yeah, it could use some changes though.

Waists on women in the animation are usually incredibly thin, with large waists (at least on the heroines). Male bodies often appear very similar, especially in regards to the face and upper torso.

I'd like to see more variation and even greater detail in their character. Though I agree, the animation works better for the more serious mood of the show.

I'd like to see them animate a style of one of DC's artists. For example, if they ever did Young Justice, seeing Nauck's style aniamted would rock. Hard to say who I'd want to see animated most.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 4, 2006, 10:02am

I'd like to see them animate Perez, just once.

And yes, I do prefer the animation style to the actual shapes of the characters.

I do like the way that Perez varied the bodies and faces of all of his characters. I do like the way he did Raven's body as more of a thin, dancer-like body rather than the buxom creations that are the standard for a lot of superheroines. They've changed that with her new look, though. I agree, variation is good. It shows more creativity on the part of the artists and gives the characters more depth.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 4, 2006, 10:10am

I was hoping with a character like Control Freak they'd have the "reality jumping" episode where the animation changes to represent the jump in reality; I was so hoping we'd get Perez style animation, orignal character uniforms, personalities, and all. And then maybe the Johns uniforms as well.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 4, 2006, 10:11am

Now that would be just too cool. It would make a good "bridge" episode to flow from one era of Titans to another.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 4, 2006, 10:31am

Yep, and a good excuse to see more normal variations of the characters.

Starfire would probably be the most interesting. XD Especially if they did a personality shift when they jump realities to the Perez universe, and Gar is the first on to notice.

And I just realized that the series ended without ever telling you the names of the other Titans, nor Garfield's last name. :-[

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 4, 2006, 10:33am

Yes. They gave hints for most through the series ("Stone" in "Deception" and Dick's name backwards in "Fractured"). I would like to have seen them call each other by their real names in the last ep, at least.

And yes, Gar would be the first to notice, especially if they changed Starfire's outfit to the armored-bikini.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 4, 2006, 11:04am

Actually it would have wroked out great as a running joke in the episode. Gar comments Star when they enter the Perez Animation, then comments on Raven when they get to the Johns (McKone or Daniels) era.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 4, 2006, 11:05am

That would be a great way to tie them all together.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 4, 2006, 11:51am

Here's an old TT cover I found posted on GJ's forum:

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This cover is from the mid 1970s. Notice how BB was drawn - at the time, he was still considered no older than any of the other Titans. It seems it wasn't until The Wolfman/Perez era did they start to make him a few years younger than the others.

And the Bat-Girl there is Bette Kane. Since this is pre-COIE, she wasn't yet re-invented as Flamebird.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 4, 2006, 12:05pm

Haha, Lillith in her go-go boots. Its been a while.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Feb 4, 2006, 1:50pm

What the heck is Beast Boy doing in that picture? ...and thank goodness his uniform changed.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 4, 2006, 2:07pm

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What the heck is Beast Boy doing in that picture?

I'd say in the process of twisting his ankle.

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...and thank goodness his uniform changed.

At least he ditched the mask. But the uniform he's wearing is actually pretty close to the same pattern as his animated one - just the colors are different.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Feb 4, 2006, 2:07pm

Maybe he's about to change into an animal?

As to your question DT, no, animated Brainiac 5 is not really an "ass". He's a lil silly though when it comes to 'cute' girls. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 4, 2006, 2:09pm

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As to your question DT, no, animatedBrainiac 5 is not really an "ass". He's a lil silly thought when it comes to 'cute' girls. XD

A little disappointing, then. I actually was looking forward to him being a bit of a sarcastic ass in the animated series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Feb 7, 2006, 9:11pm

Quote:

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What the heck is Beast Boy doing in that picture?

I'd say in the process of twisting his ankle.

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...and thank goodness his uniform changed.

At least he ditched the mask. But the uniform he's wearing is actually pretty close to the same pattern as his animated one - just the colors are different.

He's not alone. Robin's about to topple over, and Kid Flash is flailing like a fish.

I'm glad the colors changed, then. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 7, 2006, 10:01pm

Err, someone on another board just pointed this out to me.

Here's the cover for Robin #146.

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Now, look at Beast Boy. Doesn't it look his family jewels are, um, showing?

I think it's supposed to actually be the toes on his monkey-fied feet, but the placement is rather... unfortunate.

I wonder if anyone at DC even noticed that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Feb 7, 2006, 10:04pm

Ouch. It's definitely monkey toes, but you're right. I would've been happy without that one detail.

That reminds me of a scan of Spider-man's costume redesign that had a similiar problem. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 7, 2006, 10:05pm

I never would have noticed if you hadn't mentioned it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 9, 2006, 2:02pm

For unifilar and anyone else who is interested.

From Nightwing #117, last page --
Dick Grayson (Nightwing) proposes to Barbara Gordon (Oracle, formerly Batgirl).

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...and there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth among the Dick/Kory fans.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Feb 9, 2006, 2:12pm

So... I take it that was a yes then?

Well, it's nice to see him settling down a bit. But still... I wonder what Star's reaction will be?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Feb 9, 2006, 2:15pm

She'll probably tear him a new one. And I can't wait to see it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 9, 2006, 2:19pm

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So... I take it that was a yes then?

Babs is wearing the ring. I'd say it was a yes.

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She'll probably tear him a new one. And I can't wait to see it.

Sleeps with her, then dumps her for Babs. Yeah, I think Dick would deserve to get ripped a new one.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Feb 9, 2006, 2:38pm

I'm torn... Part of me really wants Dick and Babs to get married (which it looks like they will if DG survives Infinate Crisis), but at the same time part of me really, really wants Dick and Kori to get back together....

...*sigh*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Feb 9, 2006, 4:09pm

I didn't really care which way it went. Either way would have been good for me, but I must admit that I would rather he ended up with Kory. Can't win 'em all though eh'?

He did choose someone anyways, which is good, because the tug of war over who he ends up with was getting slightly ridiculous. I think this would be a better permanent solution than killing him, though that still can't be ruled out.

And I wanna see Kory's reaction too.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 9, 2006, 5:05pm

I would point out that the "who ends up with Nightwing" sweepstates its not quite over yet. There seems to be a lot of people who are hoping it gets retconned out in IC, or at the very least Johns comes up with a way to negate it.

But I agree. Enough is enough. I'd rather it were Kory, too. But it was Devin Grayson's call to make, and she made it. Just like it was Johns' call to put Beast Boy and Raven together. When you put someone in charge of a character, you have to give them the latitude to do the story they want to tell. The least Johns & Co. can do now is to honor the direction now that it's been established, and not try to demolish it at the first opportunity.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Feb 9, 2006, 5:27pm

I just want Dick to be happy. And not dead. Babs makes him happy, apparently. So it's all good.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 9, 2006, 6:53pm

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I would point out that the "who ends up with Nightwing" sweepstates its not quite over yet. There seems to be a lot of people who are hoping it gets retconned out in IC, or at the very least Johns comes up with a way to negate it.

But I agree. Enough is enough. I'd rather it were Kory, too. But it was Devin Grayson's call to make, and she made it. Just like it was Johns' call to put Beast Boy and Raven together. When you put someone in charge of a character, you have to give them the latitude to do the story they want to tell. The least Johns & Co. can do now is to honor the direction now that it's been established, and not try to demolish it at the first opportunity.

johns is the type of guy who will honor it.

If Judd Winnick were in charge, then I wouldn't past HIM to retcon, all things considered.

In fact, I think Johns would use the opurtunity to explore Starfire more. She's always been very connected to Dick, and I'm in terested in where they go with this.

I can forsee plotlines where Starfire is told by Dick that she can't see him anymore, and that they can't even stay friends, because of the way Kory acts around him and even Babs. I could see that estrangementy from the one she always loved as the jumping board into a new realtionship for her. Or utter bitterness. Either one.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 9, 2006, 8:09pm

Of course, we all know that this is just a proposal. They aren't married yet. Remember, he proposed to Kori once too.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 9, 2006, 8:12pm

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Of course, we all know that this is just a proposal. They aren't married yet. Remember, he proposed to Kori once too.

Did we ever get a good reason why, after the whole Evil raven thing, they didn't just, you know, have the wedding agan?

Did Dick just realize he didn't love her or what? I can't remember. Was this when Starfire was forced to marry someone else, and Raven feels she has a child inside her, even though nothing ever happened with that?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Feb 9, 2006, 9:08pm

I'm not really sure myself, but if my timeline of events is correct he had a lot on his plate. If I remember just afterwards he went back to gotham to help Bruce get his mantle back. Then Dick was Batman while Bruce went to find answers to questions only he knew of. Then he went off to Bludhaven and rejoined with Arsenal's Titans. He was involved with the Batman crew during No Mans Land. Starfire was around for a bit and then left for some reason. As far as I can tell they weren't really around each other much after the whole evil Raven episode, so my best guess is that they never reconciled, even when they were on the same team again apparantly due to awkwardness or something. I'm not sure myself what happened.

Of course I could be missing something here. I've been trying to learn past events and continuity, but theres a lot I don't know. I have no clue what happened during The Titans, which preceeded our current version. I'm pretty sure there aren't even any paperbacks. I hope this ramble helped in some way...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 9, 2006, 9:08pm

I don't think there was a solid answer on that. However, I do remember that it didn't seem like a happy wedding in the beginning. Dick seemed very angry and hellbent on going through with the wedding, but it didn't seem to be the romantic affair that Donna's wedding was. It seemed, well, rushed on his part, like he hoped it would make a lot of bad things better. I honestly don't think he "wanted" to marry at that time, really, for a realy marriage.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 12, 2006, 12:10pm

Titans Sighting

Blue Beetle #13 - 1987
This was a real blast from the past.
Here is an appearance of the Wolfman era Teen Titans that I never knew about. I thought you guys might like to see some of the Gar and Steve Dayton moments in this issue. They bring a little more emotion to TT #32 when we see Rita Farr and Gar reunited. They also make me wonder what is going to happen with Steve and Rita should they meet again . . .

Gar is portrayed very well here, but I think it's because the issue was written by Len Wein, who was the editor of the Wolfman era Titans for a time.

Timewise, I think this occurred somewhere between Titans #32 and #34 of the Baxter series (i.e., the second #32 and #34, after they renumbered the series). This is probably after their run-in with Brother Blood where they freed Raven and Dick of their brainwashing but before Raven cured Steve Dayton of his madness. I have no idea why she is not with the team at this time. Maybe she needed a break.

Edit: OK, here is what titanstower has to say on the timing of this issue:
>>The events of Blue Beetle #11-12 take place in the middle of this issue - between pages 12 and 13.
>> Blue Beetle #11-12 [1987]: Mento is recruiting his Hybrid team and finds Curt Calhoun, an employee of Ted Kord's company. As the Titans face off against Mento's Hybrid team, Blue Beetle joins the fray. Curt Calhoun is revealed as Prometheus, the newest Hybrid recruit.
I think he meant #12 - #13, but close enough.

Anyway, this is at the time that Steve's Mento helmet has driven him over the edge. He has created a superteam called the Hybrid for the sole purpose of taking out Gar and the Titans. For some reason, he thinks Gar is out to betray and destroy him.

Blue Beetle is involved because one of his friends (Curt) has been kidnapped by Dayton and forced to be a member of the Hybrid.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Feb 12, 2006, 1:26pm

Wow. Dayton = worst dad ever (that's excluding Trigon, because otherwise it'd be no contest)

And...couldn't Gar just morph into something to get out of those chains?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Feb 12, 2006, 2:04pm

You should be used to that by now, what with all the times he's been chained up before and couldn't get out.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Feb 12, 2006, 2:28pm

Grr... I really wish they had gone with that Surogate Son routine for Slade and Gar. That'd have been so perfect... :'(

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 12, 2006, 2:35pm

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Wow. Dayton = worst dad ever (that's excluding Trigon, because otherwise it'd be no contest)

And...couldn't Gar just morph into something to get out of those chains?

It's been shown empathic stimulators and power inhibitors prevent Gar from shapeshifting. You can assume the chains on his arms are producing the same effect.

Also, since this is his step-father and former team mate, and not to mention a genius in his own right and the owner of Dayton Industries, he's probably in the best poition to set up a secure cell to hold him.

Though they don't show it, you just have to fill in the blanks yourself.

You could always say that Gar tired himself out in the fight and couldn't shift into anything useful in that situation, and that he was saving his energy for later.

He may also have wanted to try and talk sense into his stepfather.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 12, 2006, 2:57pm

I think it is very likely that Dayton was prepared for him, considering the fact that the purpose of the Hybrid was to take Gar out in the first place. He would have had that kind of gear just waiting to be used on him.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Feb 12, 2006, 5:49pm

Thanks for the scans, KT.

I was gone for the weekend. Now I've got two or three days of stuff to catch up on...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 12, 2006, 5:50pm

You're welcome. I found that issue in the dollar bin last week. I thought it would be fun to post some "new" old stories, especially since it is somewhat connected to #32 with the talk about Rita.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 14, 2006, 12:49pm

I do have a question: Steve Dayton and Rita Farr adopted Gar. Why does he refer to them as his stepfather and stepmother? That indicates a different kind of relationship than adoption.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 14, 2006, 1:57pm

Possibly for simplicity, not wanting to go into the details of it immdeiately. Dunno. Could be a writer's error as well.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 14, 2006, 2:30pm

Maybe. But that error goes all the way back to the Wolfman days. That one always made me scratch my head.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 14, 2006, 2:44pm

Well I was never adopted. Maybe adopted chilrdren use "stepparent" sometimes. I really wouldn't know. Be nice to question Marv and others about it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Feb 17, 2006, 10:10pm

Look! It's Raven's long-lost brother!

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...ok, maybe not. And even though the outfit doesn't resemble Raven's comic-outfit too much, it still brought her to mind. They even have a purple backround. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Feb 17, 2006, 10:14pm

That is scary man. Shows far too much skin. Amusing that even he recognizes this.

... By the way, exactly who IS he?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 17, 2006, 10:21pm

I think that is Obsidian (Jade's brother)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Feb 17, 2006, 10:40pm

Ahaha!! Scans_daily! ^_^

LOL, greatness.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 17, 2006, 11:01pm

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Look! It's Raven's long-lost brother!

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...ok, maybe not. And even though the outfit doesn't resemble Raven's comic-outfit too much, it still brought her to mind. They even have a purple backround. XD

Yeah that's Obsidian. He's the son of the Green Lantern, Alan Scott, who is currently known as Sentinel (JSA).

He's Jade's twin brother. Their mother was schiztophrenic. He got the short end of the stick. His powers involve shadows and the darkness in the human soul. He went a little crazy over the years, though he might be realtively better these days.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by flyinggrayson on Feb 18, 2006, 5:56am

These days, Obsidian is inactive. He is just 'Todd' and he is homosexual, which is something his father doesn't know. Check recent issues of Manhunter to see him.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 18, 2006, 9:28am

The costume makes much more sense now.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by flyinggrayson on Feb 18, 2006, 4:59pm

Ah, a comedian. Hehe I like that

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 18, 2006, 5:01pm

I really liked Todd in the Titans/Infinity, Inc. crossover back in the Wolfman days. This was before he knew what "team" he played on (to use the Seinfeld vernacular). He had a brief crush on Raven that was really cute. But the fates were waiting on Gar!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Feb 19, 2006, 5:19pm

I picked up the Kingdom (finally). I recommend it, it's an interesting story.

Anwyays, Garfield has a some very small appearances in it. Nothing major. Actually it's a kind of upsetting fate that he is never allowed to become human again. As an Elseworlds tale I like it, but I wouldn't want to see that happen in the DCU continuity.

Gar is now known as Menagerie. Besides Gar, we Dick Grayson, now known as Red Robin. Victor Stone is now known as Robotman. Donna troy appears, but without a super hero identity. Roy Harper is now Red Arrow. Wally West is part of the spirit of The Flash, which is more of a god-like entity comprising the spirits of the others in the Flash family, rather than a mere man. Aqualad is now Aquaman.

All of the original Marv Wolfman Titans appear, save Starfire and Raven.

While Starfire is mentioned in passing and is known to be deceased (the cause of the rift between Nightstar and her father, Dick), Raven is never mentioned or shown.

1) Dick Grayson is now the Red Robin.

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2) Cyborg, now known as Robotman, is now made out of liquid metal. He's the T-1000 model now!

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Also seen in this panel are Dick Grayson.

3) Nightstar, the daughter of Dick Grayson and Koriand'r

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4) Donna Troy and Roy Harper

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5) Donna Troy's son, from her marriage with Terry (in DCU continuity, he died in a car crash), who is known as Darkstar (Donna Troy once used this name as well.

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Batman is also seen in this panel.

6) Batman has seen better days. He no longer refers to himself as Bruce Wayne, only as Batman. His identity was exposed, and he now leads an army in a fight against crime.

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Now on to Garfield.

Strangely enough, Garfield is one of Batman's soldiers, as are the other children of the former Titans. He appears only in the background, and has no lines.

The way you see him here (the green gargoyle) is his normal form now. He can no longer become human, and he can only shift into mythological or imaginary creatures.

1) Garfield as he appears on Batman's computer. Again, he's the green gargoyle. He's one of Batman's soldiers.

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2) Menagerie (Gar) at a metahuman bar.

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3) Another shot, with several other Titans visible, including Kid Flash.

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4) Batman arrives with his special forces to battle... "from on high!" @__@ Along with him are some of the new Titans and Garfield.

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In you case you can't see him, here is a close-up

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5) The battle wages on.

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if you look in this panel, you see Gar has turned into the Jabberwacky from Alice in Wonderland.

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6) And here you can see Nightstar holding her injured fatehr in the first panel, and part of Gar in the last.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Feb 19, 2006, 5:23pm

Thanks for the posts -- I've never read the Kingdom Come stories.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Feb 19, 2006, 6:56pm

Kingdom Come = sheer greatness. It is, in my eyes, one of the greatest graphic novels of all time.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by munkyboi on Feb 19, 2006, 7:05pm

http://mysticmanor.tripod.com/garfieldlo....ntendpapers.jpg

I got another pic of Menagerie if anyone wants it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Feb 19, 2006, 11:44pm

You see, this is a perfect example of why I get a little giddy when I hear Alex Ross is on board for something, even just a cover. He has produced some of the most beautiful superhero images I have ever seen. I've been thinking about picking the TPB up. Now I know I'll be getting it.

Even though he has no lines and his fate isn't the greatest, it's good to see Gar wasn't forgotten. I would have liked to see him take the form of other mythological creatures though, like the Minotaur, Scorpion Man or a Pheonix. Hell, a Centaur would have been cool while they were at it. Can't have everything though.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Mar 4, 2006, 2:38pm

Here's a blast from the past. It's the back cover of the Titan Anti-Drug issue that came out in the 80s. I was looking for a new avatar, and I thought this would be a good one. I might as well post the whole thing for everyone to enjoy.

The guy in front is the Protector. They had to use him since there was some problems with using Robin in this issue. It looks like they got the height differences right in this one -- Gar and Raven are about the same height here.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Mar 4, 2006, 11:46pm

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The guy in front is the Protector. They had to use him since there was some problems with using Robin in this issue. It looks like they got the height differences right in this one -- Gar and Raven are about the same height here.

And the funny thing about that is, when George Perez originally drew the comic, he drew it with Robin. But just before it went to press, the DC legal department informed them that since General Mills owned the "cereal rights" to all the Batman characters, and since the anti-drug thing was being sponsored by Keebler, they had to change it. So Perez went back and erased all the Robin paraphenalia, changed the hair color, and came up with this "Protector" character. There's a couple of panels where "Protector" is leaping with really weird hand and body language; that's because in the original version, Perez drew Robin swinging in on a rope and Batarang, which of course had to be removed. End result, Protector has a really strange style of leaping into battle.

And to cap it all off, when asked later, somebody from General Mills told DC that because it was an anti-drug message, "of course" they wouldn't have objected to using Robin in that promo - but no one at DC Legal ever asked. So the change ended up happening for nothing.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Mar 5, 2006, 8:57pm

I'm putting this in link form, because it's spoiler-ish for Batman Annual #25.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y278/so....ox/garcameo.png

It just shows three members of the Doom Patrol- Gar, Negative Man (sporting wicked shades), and Robotman. And a flame person that reminds me a LOT of the fire-villian in 'Forces of Nature'. Thought you guys might like to see. and yeah, that's Superboy Prime.

The scan gotten from scans_daily. To see the exact post I got it from, go here- http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/1534152.html#cutid1

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 6, 2006, 8:48am

Well kids, can this be it?

Barring more delays, we might have two straight weeks of Titans!

This week is #33.

Next week is the Titans Annual... a Valentine's Day special... yeah, I know, a little late there.

But the big one... #34! THE OYL ISSUE! Here's hoping it stays where it is!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Mar 6, 2006, 1:53pm

Similar scan has been posted a few pages back, unifilar.

Anyway, let's hope that none of them will get delayed. Otherwise, it would be the best month yet!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Mar 6, 2006, 4:07pm

I dunno... not much can compare with December's kiss. Tee hee...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Mar 6, 2006, 11:08pm

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I dunno... not much can compare with December's kiss. Tee hee...

How about a June wedding?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by silverlullaby on Mar 9, 2006, 10:36am

I don't know, I'm still holding on to some probably false hope that Kori will end up with Dick.

Well, it's not a comic, it's a book, but didn't know where else to put, and it feels, "dumpy" ^. ^' so:

Raven's Secret by J. Toress (scan)

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If I weren't aware that they weren't hinting on BBRae, I'd have taken that part where Raven was supposed to kiss a frog that they all thought was Beast Boy to change him back (but it wasn't BB

) as a huge hint. ^_^ It's in Raven's POV.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 9, 2006, 10:44am

I think Torres likes to play with the shippers in general. Whether he likes the ship or not is a whole other question.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Mar 9, 2006, 5:42pm

Quote:

I think Torres likes to play with the shippers in general. Whether he likes the ship or not is a whole other question.

Actually, I think he likes BB/Rae a lot.

I remember someone asking him about it in his forum's anniversary chatroom. He said that he though BB/Rae was like Monica/Chandler in Friends. At first he added, "And we all know how that turned out.

", referring to how Monica and Chandler got together in the end. But then, as we were discussing it, he pointed out that he was talking about Monica and Chandler's relationship in the first season, when they hadn't gotten together yet.

However, J.Torres sticks to the show like glue. He can't make BB/Rae canon, though I think he wants to. He'll just be laying down some sweet moments for you guys. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dude on Mar 9, 2006, 5:50pm

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Here's a blast from the past. It's the back cover of the Titan Anti-Drug issue that came out in the 80s. I was looking for a new avatar, and I thought this would be a good one. I might as well post the whole thing for everyone to enjoy.

The guy in front is the Protector. They had to use him since there was some problems with using Robin in this issue. It looks like they got the height differences right in this one -- Gar and Raven are about the same height here.

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Ok why is Speeey (or whatever his name was) there if he does drugs (i think)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Mar 9, 2006, 5:56pm

Speedy is a former user of illicit drugs. In the Wolfman series, he worked with various federal agencies that fought the entry of illegal drugs into the country. He could speak to the kids in the comic as someone who had "been there" and had fought off the influence of the drugs.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dude on Mar 9, 2006, 5:57pm

oh ok iget it now. thanks informing me!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Mar 9, 2006, 6:38pm

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However, J.Torres sticks to the show like glue. He can't make BB/Rae canon, though I think he wants to. He'll just be laying down some sweet moments for you guys. XD

I know I've mentioned this before, but...

J. Torres has said in the past that he'd actually like to add more 'shipper friendly stuff into TTG, but he was told by TPTB that he couldn't (and he was talking not just BB/Rae, but also Rob/Rae or any other "non-canon" 'ships). Apparently, he was even asked to do some rewriting on one story in order to tone some things down. But that all happened while the series was still ongoing; its possible that he may eventually be under less restrictions. He certainly can get away with many things that the animated can't do (his upcoming story with Nightwing a case in point).

If he does do something, my guess is he'll try to balance it out. A BB/Rae reference here, a Rob/Rae moment there, a little Cy/Rae mixed in. Never resolve anything, just keep people guessing. Let the regular title sort things out.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 18, 2006, 3:45pm

Has anyone picked up the new Nightwing at all?

I've heard now that not only was Dick having a one night stand with some red head, but that she also had a boyfriend as well. So Dick is involved with, not only one night stands, but being a relationship wrecker?

If that's the case... then, man! Whatever good qualities were left in Dick Grayson's character have just been sucked out. He's nothing like the character I enjoyed as a kid anymore. He's darker then his own mentor at this point. And he always wanted to be anythign but!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Mar 18, 2006, 3:51pm

I have read it, and I wasn't very happy with the opening. Dick didn't used to have one night stands (his fling with Kori in the Outsiders notwithstanding), especially with women whose names he doesn't know yet.

I have to run now, but I'll try to put up a book report later.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 18, 2006, 4:01pm

Ah well. There goes Dick for now. I don't think I was going to bother much with the Outsiders anyhow. I'm more interested in seeing Jsaon Todd, actually. I hear he's there, too. Perhaps one day Dick will get a little less dark. Till then, I don't think I'll care much about him anymore.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Mar 18, 2006, 8:53pm

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If that's the case... then, man! Whatever good qualities were left in Dick Grayson's character have just been sucked out. He's nothing like the character I enjoyed as a kid anymore. He's darker then his own mentor at this point. And he always wanted to be anythign but!

If you don't mind some spoilers, read on.

It's not that he's dark, at least, not the kind of dark I think you're referring to. He wasn't brooding or getting angsty. He seemed quite happy, and was actually making some cheesy puns. An explanation behind him not marrying Babs hasn't been supplied yet, nor for his sudden character change.

Jason Todd, on the other hand, seemed to be a good Nightwing, until he pulls out a knife and kills the criminals. He's 'darker' than Dick, at this point.

I think the major deal with the issue was that Dick was mae to look like a crappy Nightwing, and Jason was totally awesome and actually saves Dick at one point.

I wasn't too happy with the scans I saw, either. But I'll still be tuning in for more scans on scans_daily.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 18, 2006, 10:17pm

Frmo what I've seen many people are liking Jason better than Dick in this issue.

I didn't mean dark in the "angsty" sort of dark. I meant he's just so strown about the place by all these different authors over the years that I don't see anything left of the character I once enjoyed. Nothing but the dark events of a life so full of crap that it's hard to swallow anymore. Dick Grayson was the lightside of Batman. The one that stopped him from losing his touch with the world, from losing sight that he's still Bruce Wayne and not just Batman.

That heart to heart talk Dick had with Bruce in IC? That recent Titans issue with Superboy? That's the Dick I like.

Now Dick Grayson is more or less on the path to becoming Bruce Lite, or rather, almost there. One night stands, two broken marriages, being raped and helping your rapist escape the police, cutting off ties with everyone who loves you... Bruce would never even do some of that stuff, and Dick probably should never have been allowed to by the eras. Writers seem to love screwing around with him for some reason.

I just don't see much in Dick Grayson that I like anymore. I can't see what's been fun in Dick in the past few months that I used to see in Wolfman/Perez era and before. His time has almost passed for me; hello Jason.

I don't even know what I enjoy reading about him anymore. And I don't count on Winnick doing a good job with Dick. And if it turns out that Jsaon takes over the title in the coming months, then we'll derinately be relying on Winnick's portrayal of Dick... which I don't put much hope in, unless he changes the direction he had the character moving in so far.

I still have to get the issue, but if the reasons behind his break-up with Babs isn't satisfactory to me, I think I really am just done with him.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Mar 18, 2006, 10:21pm

Ugh, for the love of...

Couldn't they just marry off Dick and get it over with? At ths rate the tug-o-war will never end. quite frankly I'm rather sick of it.

*sigh*

Ah well, I'm hoping the new storyline with Jason turns out to be good at least. My impressions from other people are that the last few storylines sucked and should be forgotten. Maybe the OYL jump is what the book needs. But if Dick is actually lightening up a bit, then maybe the character won't be so much of a wash. Hopefully no more B.S.

I don't know. Now that he's definatly alive OYL, I'm holding the hope that they clean his character up. I liked him back when he was in the bat books, the old Teen titans books and I especially liked when he himself was Batman for that brief time (not that I'd want him to take Bruce's place again for ANY length of time). I found the conflicts and such interesting and he wasn't so dark. Currently he just doesn't really appeal to me much anymore.

Alright DC, you kept him alive. Now it's time to fix him.

Edit: Basically, I agree with what Pliskin just said.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 18, 2006, 10:45pm

It's not even that they can't clean his character up, it's that they probably won't. Like I said, for some reason writers really seem to like screwing around with Dick's characters these days.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by silverlullaby on Mar 25, 2006, 5:23am

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/Chamzi/Raven.jpg

Does anyone know why Raven looks evil in the last pannel? Isn't she supposed to be free and pure of Trigon already?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 25, 2006, 8:45am

I don't think it was intended that she evil. She's just smiling, and the way it it's drawn, it looks like a smirk.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on Mar 25, 2006, 9:01am

Great, now they're gonna have Dick and Babs break up? Ugh, this is why I hate when a character is under the control of more than one person at a time. It's so difficult to have a character grow or make any large changes because it would affect the character in all the titles they are in. I mean, my Dick/Kori side is sorta happy about this, but my logical side (which dominates in pretty much all aspects of my life) is just like "enough is enough, just pick something and stick with it". Dick is WAY overdue for something good to happen and last.

But I have thought of a good compromise: Lets say Dick were to end up with Babs, but have a child with Starfire (perhaps from their little one night stand in Outsiders). This would open up the possibility for Nightstar in current DC continuity. Or they could have it be vice versa.

But there is something I've been wondering for a while. Doesn't Babs (she is the only person to have been Oracle, right?) have a broken back and is confined to a wheelchair or something? Because I think that's why she couldn't stay as Batgirl and became Oracle in the first place. Or am I just really confused?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Mar 25, 2006, 9:30am

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I don't think it was intended that she evil. She's just smiling, and the way it it's drawn, it looks like a smirk.

It looks like a mis-drawn self-satisfied smile. I have this issue and know the context. She was just happy with herself. Finally.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 25, 2006, 10:36am

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Great, now they're gonna have Dick and Babs break up? Ugh, this is why I hate when a character is under the control of more than one person at a time. It's so difficult to have a character grow or make any large changes because it would affect the character in all the titles they are in. I mean, my Dick/Kori side is sorta happy about this, but my logical side (which dominates in pretty much all aspects of my life) is just like "enough is enough, just pick something and stick with it". Dick is WAY overdue for something good to happen and last.

But I have thought of a good compromise: Lets say Dick were to end up with Babs, but have a child with Starfire (perhaps from their little one night stand in Outsiders). This would open up the possibility for Nightstar in current DC continuity. Or they could have it be vice versa.

But there is something I've been wondering for a while. Doesn't Babs (she is the only person to have been Oracle, right?) have a broken back and is confined to a wheelchair or something? Because I think that's why she couldn't stay as Batgirl and became Oracle in the first place. Or am I just really confused?

yes, barbara Gordon is paralyzed from the waist down.

I don't think that's a good solution. It's bad enough Dick sleeps around. Now you want him to father an illegitimate child? That's not exactly helping the charatcre. In fact, it's just making him screwier than he already was. I mean, talk about way too much drama in one life.

You know how you can bring Mar'i back into the DCU? Just bring in another Tamaranian woman.

Starfire is already pretty attached to the hip of Dick Grayson as a character. To really pull her away from him and make her her own character, why not introduce the character as unrelated to Dick Grayson or Starfire, but as a Tamaranian half-breed of another Tamaranian woman or man.

Even if the character has to be attached to Dick of Kory, she can still be Kroy's child without being Dick's child. Kory could meet someone else.

There's no rule that Mar'i has to be Mar'i Grayson.

And, either way, it's not like we'd see Mar'i ever grow up. Look at how old Lyn Harper is, and she's been around since the eighties. Comics move slow. And since the entire DCU works on the same timeline (they're not allowed to skip ahead five years or swhatever), the only way to bring her in would be to rapidly age her and do a time traveling thing.

Either of those plots don't work for me. I usually think they're played out.

If we get Mar'i into the DCU, I think it can be done without her being the child of Dick or Kory.

And, anyway, Dick's marriage with Babs is already broken up from what we've seen. So it's not much of an issue anymore.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Mar 25, 2006, 10:42am

I don't like what they've done with Dick Grayson at all. I really don't. And I would like to know why he isn't with Babs. I'll have to read the issue again, but I don't recall her even being mentioned.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 25, 2006, 11:40am

The only indication of it, form what I've heard, is that Dick was sleeping with a red head, meant to indicate he may still harbor feelings for her. Though, of course, Starfire also has red hair (well, kinda orange, but on planet Earth I suppose red comes closest), so some think it may relate back to her. Who knows, guess we'll find out.

I posted recently about this on Geoff's forum, too:

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Originally Posted by melibell21
well, dick isn't "most guys". however, when he does all this stuff, he's just becoming part of the crowd of guys in their 20s. he was always a good man of strong moral fiber and always stood up for his beliefs, but i guess one of superboy-prime's punches knocked all of that out of him. lol

This here is really my point. I liked Dick as the guy with strong morals. The behavior he exhibits today is more of what I'd expect from Roy, or even Garth, before I'd expect to see Dick act like this.

I mean, Dick is supposed to be the gentlemen of the DCU - that's how people describe him, but that's become BS. He's not like that. He's like every other male shovenist frat boy you meet at college keg parties. Stick'em, dump'em - that's all he does now.

And, anyway, does anyone really find any of this very entertaining? I mean, frankly, I think it's just made Dick's character kinda mopey and depressing. It's not like the relationships end in some humorous way, or even very much of a dramatic way. All these break-ups feel like they have the same amount of impact... which isn't much at all.

And, since his ability to hold onto relationships never lasts, it's like sucking up page time. It's not really developing the character when he never gets better. Well, I suppose in this case (sleeping with a woman who is in a relationship) is a development, since now he's becoming a home wrecker of sorts. But, still, has this made the character more fun or interesting to read?

Not for me, I feel myself just rolling my eyes at him.

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And I do wonder what Devin thinks about all this. I never read her run, but I know this was supposed to be one of the best things from it. Have there been any interviews with her lately?

And, speaking of which, what is she doing now that she's off Nightwing?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Mar 29, 2006, 3:05pm

Just for you, Suki.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Mar 29, 2006, 3:18pm

... Is that Terra? o.O

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 29, 2006, 3:19pm

No, that's Pat Trayce, also known as Vigilante. They were partners for a while. I think they started a mercenary business together.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Mar 29, 2006, 4:47pm

I bet their company went up when their romance did.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 29, 2006, 5:01pm

No,so far Vigilante Inc. still exists, it's just not used by authors.+

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Mar 29, 2006, 6:17pm

Oh! Well why didn't you say they founded that?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 29, 2006, 6:35pm

Huh? I said they founded a mercenary business together.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Mar 29, 2006, 6:38pm

Never said which one. Isn't there, like, three? I know there's the one Warp's part of. And I've heard the name Vigilante Inc. floating around here on the board a few times, but nothing more then that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 29, 2006, 6:42pm

No, warp is still with the Brotherhood of Evil. He was last seen with Brain and Mallah, and it seems he's on the cover of #36 with the rest of them.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Mar 29, 2006, 10:13pm

Then the BoE has been selling out members as mercenaries? Cause Luther was paying Warp and...some red guy to steal that suit thing back. ......................And what IS the story behind that thing anyway? Is it a Super-Suit Luther built to fight Superman?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Mar 29, 2006, 10:19pm

Yes that's one of Luthor's battle suits. He has many of them, all meant to fight Superman, usually powered by Kryptonite. They pop up all the time in Superman comics.

As for Warp - Luthor pays well. That's the point. Warp isn't a mercenary. But a check from Luthor is hard to refuse. Warp may have been doing this as a side job, a way of earning some extra money.

Further, the BOE has been protrayed in recent times as having been severly weakened. He may have done it to help get them some funding, or just to make some extra money for himself.

Villains are usually like that, after all.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Mar 30, 2006, 7:37am

Ahhhhhh!!!! Thanks!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Mar 30, 2006, 2:18pm

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Just for you, Suki.

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Hee... he's such a romantic. ^^

*snatches gun and shoots the hussy*

Not for you!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Apr 3, 2006, 6:17am

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...

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... Need I even say anything?

Damn, you wanna talk about foreshadowing. And I doubt it was even intentional.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Apr 3, 2006, 6:33am

*huggles Ted* I loooooove you!!!! Don't gooooooooooo!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by sparkyx on Apr 3, 2006, 7:34am

Yeah, but in this case, it was the order way around. Ted was the one who got shot. O_O

Damn, was that really intentional, or just a coincidence?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Apr 3, 2006, 7:57am

Very likely a coincidence, but the whole thing seems like unintentional foreshadowing.

"Max'd never do that."

Yeah, that was what struck me. Don't think he would believe that anymore.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Apr 3, 2006, 9:04am

Haha, that is kinda ironic. But maybe the writer remembered it in an obscure way.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Apr 3, 2006, 11:18am

The writer was Giffen, and he's said it was completely uninentional. The comic appeared around 1988, long before Infinte Crisis was even thought about. But you're right, it is a rather amusing bit of foreshadowing.

There's also an issue of The Flash from around 1972, when Barry Allen goes ahead in time to the year (I think) 2005, and meets the Justice League of that day. And among the things that are mentioned about that "future" JLA is that they were just finished dealing with "the aftermath of the Secret Identity Crisis". Not kidding.

Gotta find the image. It was posted on DC's website a few months ago.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Apr 3, 2006, 12:30pm

I haven't done this for a very long time, so I thought I'd celebrate having finally caught up with my backlog of work by posting some images. This time, I think I'll throw some things up from one of the most overlooked Titans-related graphic novels, namely their team-up with the JLA in 1999's The Technis Imperative mini series.

JLA/Titans: The Technis Imperative
Written by Devin Grayson & Phil Jimenez; Pencils by Phil Jimenez and Paul Pellettier; inks by Andy Lanning and Dexter Vines; coloring by Jason Wright and Tom McGraw.

Graphic Novel includes: The Technis Imperative #1-3 and an excert from Titans Secret Files #1.

*****

This is actually a very Garfield-centric story, even though he does not get much billing in the series intro (he isn't even mentioned in the character descriptions at the front of the volume!). More than any of the heroes present, Gar is the one who pushes things forward, and is essential for providing the final resolution to the story. This adventure is probably the first time he consciously steps forward and decides to take charge of a situation, even though for most of it he's still under Nightwing's and the other's shadows. Lots of nice moments here, and its really great to see Garfield finally start to assert himself and start to become something of a leader himself. And all of this, to save his best friend: Victor Stone, aka Cyborg, aka Cyberion.

BACKGROUND: Toward the end of the 1980s, Cyborg merged with an alien machine culture known as The Technis, and with that merging changed his name to Cyberion. As Cyberion, he was instrumental in finally helping to defeate Dark Raven. But the Technis home planet was destroyed, and Vic/Cyborg/Cyberion vowed to find a way for the Technis civilization to be reborn.

After Dark Raven was finally defeated and Raven was freed (albeit, reduced to nothing more than her soul self, aka "Golden glow Raven"), Cyberion invited Garfield, Raven, and Minion to come with him and explore the universe. The three set off on that voyage, but sometime later first Garfield then Raven returned to Earth, saying that Vic had become much less human and much more machine (before anyone asks, Gar and Raven's intergalactic adventures were never chronicled. I believe there may have been a series or mini series proposal made, but nothing ever came of it. The main reason why the characters were shipped off like that was because no one at the time had any idea what to do with them, so it was decided to just put them in Limbo for a time),

Sometime after Gar and Raven return to Earth, a strange machine-like entity arrives... and envelopes the Moon. And this is where the story picks up:

1) Gar and Argent at the Tower. Gar has been providing to Argent what amounts to a summary of the 1980s and very early 1990s.
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Yes, at this time, Gar and Argent were sort of flirting with one another.

2) For some unknown reason, the entity starts kidnapping Titans. Gar takes one look at where they are brought to, and immediately knows what this entity is. Unfortunatley, it takes a little effort for him to get the others attention.
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3) Because the entity is affecting the Earth, the JLA are called in. But the JLA feels that the best thing to do is to destroy the entity, not save it. Gar takes this personally.
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4) The very next page.
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5) The JLA and the Titans end up fighting each other over this question. The Flash decides to side with the Titans in this mess, leading to a moment between Wally and Raven. Meanwhile, Plastic Man and Garfield have a fight, but Young Justice ally Impulse helps take care of Plasty.
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6) Eventually, the Fab Five decide to take on Vic directly and try to appeal to his human self. To do this, they need to go up to the entity itself. Raven provides the transportation. But there's also one extra passenger...
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7) Gar finally attracts Vic's attention in typical Garfield Logan fashion.
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8) The next two pages. Page One:
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9) Page Two:
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10) Gar's appeal does the trick. Vic returns (with his personality downloaded into a golden Technis android), the threat is averted, and Gar recieves very little credit from anyone for saving the world. Afterward, Vic and Gar start to have to catch up on all the stuff that's been going on since Vic went away.
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11) After The Technis Imperative mini series, there was a Titans Secret Files issue that takes place immediately afterwards, centering primarily around Nightwing trying to reform the Titans in some form (this was the team that was launched in Devin Grayson's Titans). While this is going on, Gar contemplates his life and what he wants.
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12) More of the same.
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13) Gar makes his decision, and says goodbye to the Titans (for now, at any rate). The very next time we see him will be in Johns & Raab's Beast Boy Mini Series.
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*****

Hope everyone enjoyed this!

I've got some of the issues of Titans where Gar and Flamebird appear in guest roles. Maybe I'll post some of those sometime soon.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Apr 3, 2006, 4:44pm

DUDE! That was AWSOME! And yeah, I'd like to see those guest panels.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Apr 3, 2006, 4:50pm

I do miss Bart's thought bubbles. That one with him as a kite being struck by lightning is awesome.

Make it out of Crisis alive and well, Bart!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 3, 2006, 5:09pm

(*hugs Bart*)

Here is another blast from the distant past. This is from the Wolfman-Perez era, #21, where they meet Brother Blood (Senior) for the very first time. Marcy, an old girlfriend of Vic's, is murdered by members of the cult when she tries to escape it. Raven, Wally, Dick and Donna go undercover and join Blood's church to ferret out information on the cult. Here are some pages of them in civvies and in the black of Blood's acolytes.

Isn't Raven pretty in pink? I love the little scarf around her neck.
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And here she is in pants. She claims it's for the first time, but those of us who have read Legends of the DC Universe #18 know better:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Apr 3, 2006, 6:23pm

That pantsuit Raven wears just cries out "Disco Era". That's gotta be from, what, about 1981?

Stay'in alive, stay'in alive....

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 3, 2006, 6:27pm

That's the pantsuit worn by Blood's acolytes. This is issue #21, so it was mid-1982. It does scream disco! Where's Lilith when you need her? But I thought the reverse angle shot of the four of them was a good picture. She looks pretty good in it, especially with the hair.

This is the issue that came out just before I met the Titans for the first time in #22, the second half of the arc. The writing was so good, the second half of the arc drew me in! And the mini with all the backstories came out at about the same time. The Raven one is advertised in this issue.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Apr 3, 2006, 6:34pm

I think I started reading not much after. The first issue I ever picked up was the one just after Terra was introduced, which I believe must have been about TT #29. But I think I actually bought a bunch of the back issues soon after, because I do seem to remember reading this one at some point

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Apr 3, 2006, 6:53pm

OoO! Ooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! Now I see what you mean about the Story/Action Ratio change you all mentioned. I've seen stuff like this in onld panels on TT.Com, but I thought it was just Marv's Writing style. Also, for those who've NOT seen that issue, what WAS the first time Rae wore pants?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 3, 2006, 7:10pm

http://aliute.proboards47.com/index.cgi?....35832484&page=2

This is from Legends of the DC Universe #18, Raven and Wally's first meeting.

I love the way Perez drew the Blood cathedral.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by connemaraspirit on Apr 3, 2006, 7:17pm

WOW! Could you people write anymore?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 3, 2006, 7:19pm

Quote:

That pantsuit Raven wears just cries out "Disco Era". That's gotta be from, what, about 1981?

Stay'in alive, stay'in alive....

Actually, that song is on my BeastBoy playlist on my computer. When I hear it, I just see him strutting down the street.

Forget the Titans.

Forget the Doom Patrol.

Raven is the newest member of . . . the Mod Squad!

Maybe we should start a new thread . . . suggestions for a new team for Raven!

Mystery, Inc.! The A-Team! 21 Jump Street! The....

(*facepalm*) Somebody stop me!

Hi Connemaraspirit. Write more what? I don't understand the question.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by connemaraspirit on Apr 3, 2006, 7:28pm

Write more information...duh.
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Oh...line thingy
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What the hell is the Mod Squad?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 3, 2006, 7:34pm

Just tell me what you want to know...

The Mod Squad = a show that premiered before I was born! Check out this link: http://www.tv.com/the-mod-squad/show/677/summary.html&full_summary=1

Basically, they are "hip" young undercover cops in the 60s. The Mod Squad mention was in reference to DT's saying that Raven's outfit in the above comics pages looked like it came from the disco era.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by connemaraspirit on Apr 3, 2006, 7:49pm

Can't watch it. My computer at home is too slow, and the library's computer won't download so there you go.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 3, 2006, 7:50pm

Sorry. I just meant for you to read the summary...

And here it is...

They were three hipper-than-hip undercover cops with a touch of menace and plenty of attitude. They walked the walk and talked the talk--and an entire generation stepped into line. Julie, Linc and Pete--Peggy Lipton, Clarence Williams III and Michael Cole, respectively--changed the television landscape. Now, take a journey back to the turbulent '60s and relive the phenomenon known as The Mod Squad, a bold TV series that redefined fashion, from hairstyles to language. "Solid."

One Black, One White, One Blonde..................

The early cop show format, as defined by shows like Dragnet, was certainly entertaining, but let's face it�sometimes those flatfoots could be a bit square. The cops doled out justice, but they didn't have a lot of fun doing it. It seemed that the description of TV cops might never include the word "cool," until (whew!) The Mod Squad showed up to save the day. This influential action drama brought the cop show into the era of flower power by making its cops young, hip, and full of attitude. As a result, it became a big hit and one of the few cop shows with a big audience of youngsters.

The "Mod Squad" of the title was a trio of fashion-forward juvenile delinquents: Pete had stolen a car, Linc had been arrested during a riot, and Julie was a runaway from San Francisco. All three were on probation when they met Captain Adam Greer, a tough but sympathetic cop. Greer proposed that they join forces to form a special "youth squad"�they would go undercover in the thriving Southern Californian youth subculture and ensnare adult criminals who preyed on the kids. The three hipsters agreed, and The Mod Squad was born.

Although they did the work of police detectives, the Modders didn't do things in conventional police officer style: they didn't carry badges or carry guns, and they didn't "fink" on kids their own age. They also got to carry out their police work against colorful and exciting backdrops like go-go clubs, motorcycle rallies, and (of course) the beach. They spoke in the cool slang of the day, the most notable example being Linc's habit of saying "Solid" to show his approval of something cool.

The premise of The Mod Squad might have seemed too good to be true, but it did have a basis in fact. The show was inspired by the experiences of creator Bud Ruskin, a former L.A. policeman who had been part of undercover narcotics squad made up of youthful cops. His experiences turned out to be a goldmine, as The Mod Squad became an instant hit on ABC's television lineup in the fall of 1968. The show won Peggy Lipton a Golden Globe Award for her performance as Julie, and its revolving cast of scenesters introduced plenty of new talent like Louis Gosset Jr., Anne Archer, Harrison Ford, Tyne Daly, Richard Dreyfuss and Lesley Ann Warren.

The Mod Squad continues to make its influence felt today in many ways. It remains a favorite of syndication, is frequently mentioned in surveys of influential television shows, and has even inspired 1999 big-screen remake. The trio wasn't kidding when they called themselves The Mod Squad. They never went out of style, never became un-mod.

Actually, it sounds more like a team for go-go boots Lilith.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by connemaraspirit on Apr 3, 2006, 8:10pm

Well still a lot of writing. I lived, and thanks for the summary. It saved me a lot of other things.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 3, 2006, 8:11pm

You are welcome. I love research.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Apr 3, 2006, 8:17pm

K9: Man...That sounds so........so.................

Pard: Solid?

K9: *smiles* Triple Solid man.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 3, 2006, 8:18pm

Smooooooth.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Apr 3, 2006, 8:20pm

^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Apr 12, 2006, 6:27pm

Here we go. Three pages from The Battle for Bludhaven #1. This is the entirety of the Titans appearance for this issue.

[image]

The art is by Dan Jurgens. Wonder Girl must have stopped in Bludhaven on her way to Alaska to back up Superboy and Nightwing.

And Raven is suddenly Wolfman/Perez again. Hmmmm....

The golden robot guy is probably Robotman (Cliff), from the Doom Patrol.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Apr 12, 2006, 6:29pm

It looks like Raven is wearing a mask in that one panel. O.o

Error in coloring?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Apr 12, 2006, 6:32pm

Thanks for posting that DT.

To tell the truth, the renditions of the Titans leave much to be desired, but Cassie seems to fare the worst. She shouldn't be there though should she? I thought she was at the Kent farm while the cleanup was going on in the annual? Continuity blunder?

Edit: Nevermind, DT already gave a plausible theory to explain Cassie's appearance.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Apr 12, 2006, 6:35pm

Yeah, but Raven is wearing a face masket. O.o

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Apr 12, 2006, 6:38pm

Maybe she decided to try and hide her "secret identity".

After seeing the kind of stuff Tony does, it kind of makes other renditions of the Titans hard to swallow.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Apr 12, 2006, 6:39pm

How can you ever take someone dressed up as the statue of liberty seriously? I'm surprised they're not laughing in her face.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on Apr 13, 2006, 8:07am

Thats probably why they didn't seem to be taking them seriously at first. I know I wouldn't. Those guys in black with the stars are probably the only ones who look good.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Apr 13, 2006, 8:16am

Their outfits are definatly kinda... pathetic.

I higly doubt any supervillains are going to see these guys and run in fear. I too would laugh in their faces. I mean this is the universe of superheroes, so certain costumes can be excused. But there is a limit of credability, and as Pliskin said, I'm surprised their not being laughed at, especially lady liberty there.

The Force Of July... Freedoms Ring...

*shakes head*

These guys are practically asking to be mocked.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Apr 13, 2006, 8:52am

Actually, I think that's part of the point. The Freedom's Ring group are really not a bunch of nice people, as the mini series makes plain later on.

Don't want to spoil anything, but you might want to pick it up sometime and read the rest of the issue.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 13, 2006, 8:54am

I picked it up. It was worth the read. Verrrrrry ominous things going on in Bludhaven.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Apr 13, 2006, 10:15am

Hmm. Maybe I should. I trust you guy's opinions on these things. Wish they didn't draw Rae in the old style though...

Anyways, what's happening in Nightwing? Anything interesting?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 13, 2006, 10:25am

I find that artists who draw Titans in non-Titans books tend to draw her from the "Blue Raven" Wolfman-Perez era. It's very annoying when they don't bother to do 5 minutes of research into what she looks like now.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by pliskin on Apr 13, 2006, 11:28am

The government has all that money and they can't even get some people to come up with better names.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 13, 2006, 11:30am

I did like Silent Majority, though. At the very least, he (they?) is original.

Loved the shiny guys at the end, though.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Apr 15, 2006, 2:23pm

Just got back from the bookstore. I found 'Our Worlds At War' Vols 1 and 2 in TPB. This is one of the big crossovers from a few years ago. It's All Heroes vs. Darkseid (I think), and Raven plays a bit part. She's in her golden glow stage. I have never read it before. I hope it's good because I just paid 40 bucks for the set. If I find anything interesting, I'll post.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 4, 2006, 11:37am

Newsarama and DC have just released six pages of an advance preview of Green Arrow #62 - guest starring our favorite masked mercenary.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on May 4, 2006, 11:47am

Sweet, ive always liked deathstroke. Its a shame he dosent have his own series like his marvel counterpart deadpool.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 4, 2006, 12:26pm

I hate the fact that they made him into too much of a killer, and I hate the way Winnick writes him. I think Slade would be far more careful about using a neuro toxin on an innocent. In fact, i think he would have used a simple tranq, what's even the damn point of a neurotoxin on a non-meta? I also disagree with how he has Slade out to kill Ollie, but to ruin. that's not Slade, Slade doesn't take pleasure in what he does, he just takes the job and does, then expects his pay. all he cares about is being the best. And letting his gaurd down like that so he can give a monologue is very un-Slade like.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 4, 2006, 12:35pm

*headdesk*

Slade, what happened to you? That's not the same Deathstroke from the series. That Deathstroke wouldnt' murder prostitutes to destroy some guys' rep after he was dead. He MIGHT make him disappear for a while, and then have his body show up, but not at the expense of other lives he wasn't hired to kill. That's not the Slade that went all over the world to find and rescue his ex-wife who shot his eye out because he still loved her.

*wears black and mourns* :'(

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on May 4, 2006, 1:10pm

Yet again im alone in liking something. HAHA, oh well I should get used to that I guess.

I love crazy evil people, they make me laugh.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on May 4, 2006, 3:46pm

Well, crazy evil people can be a lot of fun, but everyone here's problem is that Deathstroke is not supposed to be that way. Basically, he's gone from the interesting grey character to just some villain. Granted, he'll never be just another in the crop, but it doesn't seem like there is much left of what set him apart to begin with.

Crazy evil people can be interesting, but I don't think that there should only be crazy evil villains. I strongly disagree with DiDio in that Slade is cooler as just a simple bad guy. In fact, for me it makes him that much less cool.

Of course you can ignore me though, as I'm one of those guys who weeps for the old Slade. T_T

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 4, 2006, 4:23pm

*gives SN a box of Milono cookies* Thee there. I guess the loss of his sons, and best friend have finally takin their toll on poor Wilson. The durgs didn't help of course.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on May 4, 2006, 6:26pm

I'm not all that fond of Winick's writing to begin with. His Deathstroke just seems... wrong.

If you guys want to see a really well-written Deathstroke, check out the Identity Crisis miniseries by Brad Melzer and Rags Morales. The part with Deathstroke vs. The JLA gives me chills.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on May 5, 2006, 9:08pm

*also mourns the los of the Deathstroke we al knew and loved*

I don't have a problem with there being a character like this (in fact, I think it's very, VERY cool). However, I don't want that person to be Deathstroke. He isn't supposed to be like that. He's supposed to be grey, not black or white. That's what made him such a popular character. And it's what made us all love him.

*holds up sign saying "Bring back the REAL Deathstroke!"*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on May 5, 2006, 9:46pm

Maybe, you know, this is like an alternate earth Slade and the real one is out there somewhere, and maybe the real Deathstroke will reclaim his name. And... and...

T_T

It's not fair. I want the old Deathstroke back. I'm so desperate I'm grasping at straws. But I guess I'll have to accept him as he is now eventually. It doesn't look like it will change...

T_T

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 5, 2006, 9:55pm

Maybe this one is actually a clone created by the government as an elaborate frame-up, and the REAL Deathstroke is locked in some super-sercret ultra-security concentration camp currently developing an exciting excape plan, having only himself to rely on to clear his name.

He will shortly thereafter retire to his ranch in Austrailia under an assumed name, until he finds out his daughter is a slut. Then he'll go to Cali and do the Dad thing.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 14, 2006, 2:14pm

Oh, wow! I hate being a loser! Sign me up!

[image]

From a 1936 issue of Argosy.

Sorry, guys, but I'm just in a weird mood today.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 15, 2006, 9:32am

Do you have any ads from the old GRIT magazine?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 15, 2006, 12:17pm

Quote:

Do you have any ads from the old GRIT magazine?

Nope. I was just putting some old stuff up on Ebay, saw that ad, and scanned it in.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on May 15, 2006, 12:56pm

What kind of stuff are you selling?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on May 15, 2006, 1:57pm

Hmmmm...I think I might have a theory on why Deathstroke's been so off lately (besides Dan Didio's bad ideas for him).

I seem to remember that one of the main reasons given for Ravager becoming as bad as she did in the first place was because Deathstroke pumped her full of the same chemical he was full of. I didn't really pay it any heed at first (I mean, she killed the last Ravager without any of that stuff in her), but now it's got me wondering. I know that Deathstroke is supposed to have gotten full control of his powers long before he was even introduced, but what if his behavior now is due to some sort of much-delayed effect of the super-soldier serum?

As far as I understood, what the chemical did to him was alter his DNA. If it altered his DNA (causing permanent changes to his body), what if one of those changes was that at a certain age his brain would suddenly start to function differently, and thus possibly account for his now evil behavior?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 15, 2006, 2:05pm

Don't dare to give Didio the benefit of the doubt.

And that's been the theory since the whole thing has gone done. I refuse to buy simply becuase it lets them butcher the character far too easily.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 15, 2006, 2:07pm

Slade's had that stuff in him for years. Any delayed reaction would have kicked in at least a decade ago.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on May 16, 2006, 4:54pm

I'm not saying that excuses it, because it doesn't by any means. I'm just saying that could be reasoning used to explain it within the context of the comics themselves.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on May 16, 2006, 5:02pm

Deathstroke always seems to get the shaft when it comes to decent writing. This was the only instance where I thought that he was written as he was meant to be written, as a dangerous, calculating assassin who is not out to take over the world. He's a mercinary, a gun for hire, and a darn good one at that. Brad Meltzer did a fantastic job.

(a link to Scans_daily since I don't have all of the scans on hand)

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/1655464.html#cutid1

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 16, 2006, 5:42pm

Yes that was one of Slade's best fights ever. I definately think he got him right down to a tee.

Favorite parts:

- When you think he was going for Ollie's head, but was actually going for the arrow feathers (no unnecessary killing!)

- When he takes out Ray (and Hawkman) with a laser pointer.

- When he cuts Hawkman out of his holster and he just drops like a stone.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 16, 2006, 5:43pm

Now THAT"S my Slade.

Rawk 'em hard, Wilson!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 16, 2006, 5:47pm

I concure with Thereaper's conclusions. It's the only way it can be explained without breaking the fourth wall. Unless someone wants to do that in a humor-oriented comic.

And it does have some real-world parallels if one is willing to twick things a little: Certain drugs, like an Hallucinagen, stays in the body forever, and thus relapses occur sometimes, which is why some/most rock stars from the 60's and 70's still see 'the colors'. So this maybe this is something simular, though most likely permenant.

Oh! And the scans ROCK! Lovely Slade action.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 16, 2006, 5:56pm

Yes but I disagree with going in that direction because it allows the editors to revamp (read: butcher) characters without room for criticism. The fact that they haven't explained why he's suddenly acting psychotic is part of the reason there is so much fan pressure to have him change back. Explanations like this often help to justify what the editors force upon the writers, and, in this case, since I disagree with how they've chagned Slade, I'd rather not buy into such fan explanations.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 16, 2006, 5:57pm

Quote:

Deathstroke always seems to get the shaft when it comes to decent writing. This was the only instance where I thought that he was written as he was meant to be written, as a dangerous, calculating assassin who is not out to take over the world. He's a mercinary, a gun for hire, and a darn good one at that. Brad Meltzer did a fantastic job.

Hey, guys! You can find much of this sequence on this very forum:

Teen Titans in the Infinite Crisis

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 16, 2006, 6:02pm

Thanks DeTroyes.

Quote:

Yes but I disagree with going in that direction because it allows the editors to revamp (read: butcher) characters without room for criticism. The fact that they haven't explained why he's suddenly acting psychotic is part of the reason there is so much fan pressure to have him change back. Explanations like this often help to justify what the editors force upon the writers, and, in this case, since I disagree with how they've chagned Slade, I'd rather not buy into such fan explanations.

K9: All right, the BoE made a Slade clone and captured the real Slade, who will show up any day now to clear his name. How's that?

Pard: Are you serious?

K9: No.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on May 16, 2006, 6:46pm

Oh goody! ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by thereaper on May 16, 2006, 6:52pm

Yes. We should kidnap Didio and whoever else is responsible for this complete 180 and force them to fix it!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 16, 2006, 8:08pm

Quote:

Yes. We should kidnap Didio and whoever else is responsible for this complete 180 and force them to fix it!

We'd probably have to stand in line. I think the Superboy fans and the Impulse/Kid Flash fans have first and second dibs.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 16, 2006, 8:10pm

Let's just divvie him up. Suberboy fans get the torso, KF fans get the legs, and we get the head.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 16, 2006, 8:13pm

We should get first dibs anyhow, Slade was being butchered well before Connor bit the dust or Bart got aged.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on May 16, 2006, 8:34pm

I'll get the chainsaw. You just get DiDio. ^_^

Is it even possible for them to turn Slade back and have a plausible explanation at this point?

I just want the old Slade back. Like in Identity Crisis. :'(

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by silverlullaby on May 17, 2006, 2:42am

Don't forget Nightthing *cough* wing. Nightwing.
It's alright, we'll have the real Sladey back soon enough. *pats back* they'll make a way. Or else I can help sharpen that chainsaw.

I just got the TBP of "The Insiders" a few days ago.

It was all very sad.

'The loneliest monk' got me laughing though.

Our collection of TBP's already almost complete so far, with a Kid's Game, Family Lost, ToT, and Beast Boys and Girls. We just don't have the Death and Return of Donna Troy, and according to you guys, it's not worth it, so meh. okay, I'm happy ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 17, 2006, 8:08am

Okay, on the topic of TPB's, which ones are out now? I have Kid's Game, Family Lost, Beast Boys and Girls and The Future is Now. And there's Insiders out now, and the other one's not out yet right?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 17, 2006, 8:50am

I think that's all for the Geoff Johns series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 17, 2006, 9:25am

All right. Now, when does TT TPB #6 come out again?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 17, 2006, 9:44am

July 26th

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5445

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 17, 2006, 10:18am

Thanks KT! Also, take a gander at what I stumbled across while surfing Wikipeidia: http://www.vmix.com/viewVideo.php?ID=8571

Powergirl gets a Job! Coming to a bookstore or in this case computer near you.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 19, 2006, 12:23pm

As I anxiously await my Matt Logan Commission, I have decided to present us once again with...

Another Matt Logan Moment.

(Brought to you by Obsession Inc.)

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 19, 2006, 12:59pm

Newsarama just posted an interview with Stephen Wacker. Here's what he had to say about upcoming issues of 52 and how they relate to Teen Titans:

Quote:

NRAMA: Okay - another point. The Kryptonian altar in Titans Tower that Cassie is leading a service at. She built that? How did she learn so much about Kryptonian�stuff?

SW: Let's just say�Cassie's met some people.

NRAMA: While we're talking on Titans, they're one of the titles that has seen major changes in OYL - using them as an example, will we see any of the Titans' "missing year" in 52 (such as the new team, Robin's cave and what he's doing in there), or is that all to be revealed in Teen Titans?

SW: Greg and Geoff just turned in a big Titans sequence a couple weeks back. We're going to INCORPORATE some of the Titans seeds there. The possibilities are INFINITE. Ka-Thunk. Ka-Thunk.

NRAMA: Okay - and finally, in issue #1, we learned that the heroes on Donna's mission aren't back yet, and from Teen Titans, we see that Cyborg was horribly injured, and spent nearly the full year in stasis. Will we be seeing the space heroes' return in 52 - if so, can you ballpark as to when?

SW: No way will I ballpark. It could be awhile before we see the space heroes.

Quote:

1-Dear Internet: I know Nightwing was at the memorial. You were SUPPOSED to notice.

5.2 ABOUT 52 #2

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 19, 2006, 1:04pm

Teen Titans #34 was ranked #9 overall out of the top 300 of all comic book titles released in April, and came in as DC's third best selling title for that month (behind only Infinite Crisis #6 and Justice #5), with a Diamond Index (whatever that means - anyone care to explain it?) of 113.9 - the highest I've seen it in a long time. This means that it was the highest selling of all of DC's ongoing monthly titles.

To give you some idea of how much of a spike this is, TT #33 came in at #23 for March. The title has averaged around #20-#25 for the last couple of years.

Information Here:
http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/apr06sales.html

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 19, 2006, 1:09pm

Quote:

Newsarama just posted an interview with Stephen Wacker. Here's what he had to say about upcoming issues of 52 and how they relate to Teen Titans:

Quote:

Quote:

1-Dear Internet: I know Nightwing was at the memorial. You were SUPPOSED to notice.

5.2 ABOUT 52 #2

Is that a hint that we are going to see Infinity Incorporated in here somewhere? Or that . . . (*brain is spinning*)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 19, 2006, 1:12pm

Now that you mention IC: Is Super Boy Prime dead? Or is he in limbo so that he can start another crisis?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 19, 2006, 1:39pm

Quote:

Now that you mention IC: Is Super Boy Prime dead? Or is he in limbo so that he can start another crisis?

He's in a containment cell in the heart of a red sun and guarded by something like 350 Green Lanterns.

Of course he's going to break out in time for the next crisis.

EDIT: You know, I just realized I put the above posts in the wrong thread. Meant to put them in the Comics Info Thread, not the Comic Dump. Blah.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 19, 2006, 2:22pm

Oh good! That means General Drac still has a chance to sacrifice himself and kill the jack! ^_^

............................................................................That's assunming that I get into comics and can have a hand in said crisis. -_-'

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 19, 2006, 3:34pm

Quote:

Is that a hint that we are going to see Infinity Incorporated in here somewhere? Or that . . . (*brain is spinning*)

I think it may very well be. Lots of people are interpreting it that way. Infinity Inc. might also be a good place for Starfire to end up with, too.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 19, 2006, 3:46pm

Or he could've been reffering to Infinite Chrisis.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 19, 2006, 3:51pm

either one... or both...

I always found it interesting that the Infinitors were to the JSA as the Titans were to the JLA. It would be interesting if our more "adult" Titans went over to reform Infinity, Incorporated and the younger set remained Teen Titans. I could certainly deal with that, depending on who they put on the team. And making sure that Infinity, Inc., got their own book again.

But that's just sheer conjecture on my part.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 23, 2006, 10:08am

Here's a great What Might Have Been, pointed out on GJ's forum.

Beast Boy's first encounter with the Teen Titans occurred in 1966, with issue #6 of the original Teen Titans series. The story was called "The Fifth Titan", and was recently reprinted in the DC Showcase Presents: Teen Titans volume that just came out.

Well, the comic ends like this (image taken from the Showcase Present volume; Showcase Presents reprints are in black & white):

[image]

Yes, you read that right. Beast Boy COULD have become the fifth member of the Fab Five, but evidently reader interest at the time wasn't sufficient. Eventually, Speedy was retconned into that position.

But just think....

If there had been enough interest, Gar would today probably be a much, much more pivotal character than he is right now. AND they probably would not have de-aged him as many times as they have.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on May 23, 2006, 10:19am

Ive heard people talk of him being de aged before. When did this happen and how did they justify it?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 23, 2006, 10:33am

Oh that's easy. No one ever really thinks about or knows the age of a character, so it's easily to change through the Power of Suggestion, and since several artists work a character over time, people get used to seeing different versions of the same person so the company can get by without even thinking of a justification.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on May 23, 2006, 10:43am

Quote:

Ive heard people talk of him being de aged before. When did this happen and how did they justify it?

He's been de-aged more than once. In general, its been a combination of things, mostly connected with how often the character is used. Remember, adhereing to some kind of continuity is actually a fairly recent concept - time was, writers used to advacne their characters as story dictated, and just ignored the effect that had on other titles and characters. In the case of Gar, Beast Boy was very obviously concieved as being about the same age as Robin, Wonder Girl, Aqualad, and Kid Flash, and that is how he was written at the time. But because BB ended up not being used as often as the others, they ended up aging a little more while BB lagged behind.

Still, there have been some major points in the character's history where a de-aging was consciously done to him, all of which were dictated by the writer. The first was at the start of the Wolfman/Perez era, because Wolfman said he wanted a character who was a little younger than the others (more of a "middle teen", as opposed to the others who were all "late teens"). The start of the W/P era was the first time where it was actually stated that Gar was 3-4 years younger than Dick Grayson. The other major de-aging was at the start of the Johns era; after establishing in the Beast Boy mini series and elsewhere that Gar was around 21, suddenly at the start of Johns he's said to be 19 (blame SBP poundings on that one, I suppose). So, right now he's got to be about 20-21 again (where hopefully they'll keep him).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on May 23, 2006, 11:13am

Thanks for answering my questions guys, yet again youre all very helpfull.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 23, 2006, 11:06pm

You know while it might seem cool in concept that Beastboy could have been the fifth member of the Fab Five, I think I'm happier he wasn't. Part of the reason I liked him, initially, was because he was an unknown and not in the forefront of the DCU.

Also consider what popularity brings along with it.

Look at the Fab Five:

Wally - Took up the mantle of The Flash and became a hero in his own right. Successfully utilized by authors as his own character.

Dick - Consistently used, but severely altered. Love life has become a wreck and calls into question the original position of the character as being the DCU's gentleman. Has developed alot of angst over the years.

Roy - Sloppy writing combined with his frat boy personality have led many to question his parenting ability. His past is filled with substance abuse, addiciton, and bad mistakes that are often forgotten rather than used as part of his story. Treated more as a college boy who won't grow up than a real cahracter.

Donna - Messy origins and sometimes flimsy personality. Horrible codename and unsuccessful utilization by most authors.

Garth - Under utilized, marriage and child were handled in the wrong way, comes in and out of obscurity, and has a very strange place in the DCU, and is sometimes regarded as the forgotten member of the Fab Five.

Really, only Wally has had it good by being one of the Fab Five. Does that mean Gar wouldn've been worse off? No, perhaps not.

But he would have also been the jokester of the Fab Five instead of Speedy. Who knows what that might have led him to become these days. Though he could have possibly been in the JLA by now.

It's interesting to think about, if nothing else. I wonder what could have been... would this have been good for the character? Or would he have become another Garth or Donna Troy?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 24, 2006, 8:48am

It's hard to tell what kind of impact this would have had on Gar. I really enjoy his character now, and I want them to keep him around. I think Geoff takes Gar seriously.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on May 24, 2006, 8:58am

It's refreshing to have an author who does.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 24, 2006, 9:30am

I shudder every time he is in the hands of another author who only remembers the younger Gar. I'd like to see him continue to grow up. I don't want him totally serious, but I would like to see him in his more mature status.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on May 27, 2006, 7:12am

Hopefully no one minds me posting these (K9'll like them, at least

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I started trawling through back issues to find stuff with Pantha, X-Men's Marrow, and, recently, Katma Tui, because I'm a gigantic weirdo. Recently I picked up the Gar-Slade Meeting issue mentioned a while back and the final act of the Judas Contract for pretty cheap as part of a moving sale at the shop

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I managed to find this scene which I though was interesting. Yeah, I know, the artwork's pretty lousy (Grummett was pretty darn awesome...), and I know she's not a popular character, but I still think Pantha fighting Slade is pretty cool.

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Although being pulled by the neck by a lasso creeps me out.

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I just find that second to last panel where Pantha says she likes Slade awfully cute for some reason...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 27, 2006, 7:38am

You're right Sans, I DID like em. ^_^ Thanks.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 27, 2006, 8:21am

It was stuff like that that made her so unpopular.

Just those outbursts never seemed to be handle very well and she could get annoying, especially when she was just making bad problems worse. Her charactre came off flat as well. Yes, there was some depth to the "search for her origins" plot, but the plot itself was expected because of the type of character she was, and so wasn't anything new. Part of the problem was never having a specific person that was being targeted. The female scientist who created her, along with the Dayton connection, came in far later then it should've had. That meant all this angr and rage stuff was targeted at the team until then. Characters like that can work, but many felt Pantha was taken too far in that direction.

If you ever wanted to garner support for her return, you wouldn't use a scan like this, essentailly.

It was the poor handling of her character that made her so easily forgotten for most. Did she deserve to die? Maybe not. Did she deserve to be missed? That's a harder one. Did the general consensus clamor about her death? Nope.

And, unfortunately, it seems, so far, that we won't even see a funeral for her. No surrpise, since other greater characters, like Lillith Clay, never even got one.

In the end it was a poorly conceived and executed character that had untapped potential. It's unfortunate it had to be that way, but such is the fate of third stringers. as much as I blast the aniamted series, at least now Kory, Vic, Gar and Raven all have a greater chance of avoiding that same fate now.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 27, 2006, 8:29am

True. Sady but, true.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on May 27, 2006, 9:20am

I just picked it because I thought it was cool she was fighting hand to hand with Slade. You don't see someone with that kind of fortitude, usually. I also liked that the sarcastic attitude, too - given all the ridiculous stuff that goes on in the comics world, it's nice to have someone call out the pompous villains. And that one panel is cute.

I don't think she was poorly concieved at all - Superboy, Kid Devil, and Rose's stories riff on aspects that were all a part of Pantha's character. Conner's issue over being an artificial being? Kid Devil's monsterous appearance that makes him an automatic outsider (and not to mention Chief's bit about KD not having a mystical origin, but having meta genes or something implanted)? Rose trying to battle her violent, evil nature? That was all that was and could've been explored with Pantha. And her anger and rage aren't without reason: Pantha had been trying to get over her bestial nature, painful past. Something like that doesn't happen overnight. And I bet people are going to be patient with Rose as long as she keeps slipping into bedrooms naked. ::)

"52" was supposed to let those third-string characters who were overshadowed and untapped shine. But it looks like Pantha's just going to be another woman killed off for men's angst (if the whole spat between Red Star and Gar is true) and a guy's (Red Star's) character development. So, what a fix, DC.

The points against Pantha fall flat when you consider all the other things in comics. Yes, her origins and issues were poorly handled, but, hell, so has Donna Troy's. People keep complaining about how dull or convoluted or useless or unfocused she is, yet Donna's still around thanks to being a derivative. And then there's Joker's or Twoface's Daughter/Duella Dent! You could argue she takes her schtick to far, and her origin is just as dragged out, yet she's still around.

Wolverine, who always had a rocky time relating to others and had a ton of rage, now is in every book Marvel can fit him in. Black Adam gets praised as being "cool" and "badass" for his rage and violence, and Jason Todd is getting fans for his little antics. From the sound of things Wildcat was also pretty vocal about things. Double standard. And what has been bugging me about Rose is she's essentially the same sarcastic, "angry" character (threatening Wonder Girl, for example), but she gets a free pass because she shows being conflicted by being sexy, and is Slade's daughter. (Reading tons of criticism of portrayals of women in comics has got me thinking). Pantha's not only able to take the same amount of damage as male heroes, but she's certianly not there for sex appeal that undermines her character.

I don't think being "forgotten" is really a damning point either. Bendis, I think, did a huge thing with SpiderWoman. Did very many people remember Kid Devil before Geoff brought him back?

*Sigh*. But I really don't know. I'm probably just a looney ranting like a guy with a tinfoil hat claiming the moon landing was fake. Sometimes I wish I just liked what every one else likes.

:'(

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 27, 2006, 11:42am

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I just picked it because I thought it was cool she was fighting hand to hand with Slade. You don't see someone with that kind of fortitude, usually. I also liked that the sarcastic attitude, too - given all the ridiculous stuff that goes on in the comics world, it's nice to have someone call out the pompous villains. And that one panel is cute.

I would hardly call this an example of fortitude or say that Slade is being pompous. Pantha just hung up on Donna when something seems to be up. Slade is telling her to calm herself down becuase she's, frankly, acting silly, and she goes and attacks him without thought. Fortitude would be courage in the face of adversity, but here Slade isn't even being a threat. His own unwillingess to fight her and his somewhat calm demeanor in the face of her uncheck rage. These panels put Slade in a far better light than Pantha; she kicked him in the groin and he's not even bitch-slapping her ass.

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don't think she was poorly concieved at all - Superboy, Kid Devil, and Rose's stories riff on aspects that were all a part of Pantha's character. Conner's issue over being an artificial being? Kid Devil's monsterous appearance that makes him an automatic outsider (and not to mention Chief's bit about KD not having a mystical origin, but having meta genes or something implanted)? Rose trying to battle her violent, evil nature? That was all that was and could've been explored with Pantha. And her anger and rage aren't without reason: Pantha had been trying to get over her bestial nature, painful past. Something like that doesn't happen overnight. And I bet people are going to be patient with Rose as long as she keeps slipping into bedrooms naked. ::)

By poorly conceived, I mean the bundle of attribute mixed in with her particular origin. Fact of the matter is, the "werewolf syndrome" wasn't too unique. The animal girl, the furry, is seen all over myth, comics, anime, and manga.

Connor? His was unique. He was the product of the world's greatest superhero and his arch nemesis. He was two worlds, two identities, that were so against each other, brought into one package. He could never be simply the hero or simply the villain no matter which way he went based on the concept of his origins.

We don't know much about Kid Devil's origin's yet. What if the Chief is responsible for his creation, and the purpose of him being a moster isn't the search for his humanity (since he remembers that I'm sure) but the prupose couldbe connected to the chief, which while similar to Pantha's in an arbituary way, has a completely different potential.

You seem to think people hated Pantha right away. No, that's not true. I didn't hear people hating Pantha until ten issues into her arrival, and after she had her arc. So don't say people weren't patient with her, because they were. It was after she settled in (or really her failure to settle into the book) that she began to be criticzed.

So how about extening Rose that courtesy. People haven't accepted her completely yet, either. Some level the same criticisms against her that they began to with Pantha.

And now finally, you're criticizing Rose as replacing Pantha, but what do you think Pantha was doing?

People didn't like Pantha because she was replacing the other heroes, taking the center stage.

The sracasm? Guess what, about the time Pantha arrives is just when Gar starts to develop his sarcstic wit. but with her arrival he falls back into the shadows for a while, and starts to lose some of his character development.

A hero making comments about the way other comic heroes are like? Cyborg used to always do that. Albeit th sarcasm, but he'd often make comments about how they work partly because he was new to the super hero gig when the book first started. Now he's the veteran, but at the time of Pantha, that was what he was like.

So people hated Pantha for the same reason you're criticizing all these other characters. I think you're missing that. She did what you see these other characters doing - take stories another character had a potential for and stealing the show. That's what people hated about her.

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Gotta wait for 52 to really get going before we can say anything.

We're assuming what happens right now. We don't know what's going on with Red Star.

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The points against Pantha fall flat when you consider all the other things in comics. Yes, her origins and issues were poorly handled, but, hell, so has Donna Troy's. People keep complaining about how dull or convoluted or useless or unfocused she is, yet Donna's still around thanks to being a derivative. And then there's Joker's or Twoface's Daughter/Duella Dent! You could argue she takes her schtick to far, and her origin is just as dragged out, yet she's still around.

Unfortunately, I agree. I don't like Donna or Duela. And if you go to Johns' site, you'll see how I've arged that Duela has no real story to her, that she's just a little mystery DC uses to boost sales, and so forth.

As for Donna, her origins are just as bad as Jean Grey's, far worse than Pantha's, simply because they can't just stick with somehting. And I argue the same thing - she's only still around because of the name she's attached to and the loyal fanbase that follows her.

So don't think I only pick n Pantha, there are others out ther who I criticize just as much.

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Wolverine, who always had a rocky time relating to others and had a ton of rage, now is in every book Marvel can fit him in. Black Adam gets praised as being "cool" and "badass" for his rage and violence, and Jason Todd is getting fans for his little antics. From the sound of things Wildcat was also pretty vocal about things. Double standard. And what has been bugging me about Rose is she's essentially the same sarcastic, "angry" character (threatening Wonder Girl, for example), but she gets a free pass because she shows being conflicted by being sexy, and is Slade's daughter. (Reading tons of criticism of portrayals of women in comics has got me thinking). Pantha's not only able to take the same amount of damage as male heroes, but she's certianly not there for sex appeal that undermines her character.

I'm not denying it. You seem to think people are accepting Rose right away, they're not, alot of us are waiting. What interests me most about her is simply her relaitonship with Eddie, but I admit that's not enough for me to say she's an amazing character. She'll need to show me she has more to her. And right now we can't criticize her, because she hasn't had her arc yet - she may go through something that radically changes how she acts, perhaps some final closure with Slade and acceptance by Cassie. It's still too early, so give it time, the same time you wanted for Pantha.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on May 27, 2006, 3:39pm

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His own unwillingess to fight her and his somewhat calm demeanor in the face of her uncheck rage. These panels put Slade in a far better light than Pantha; she kicked him in the groin and he's not even bitch-slapping her ass.

I was referring to the whole Olympus and Greek gods thing, not Slade. Pantha reminded me of the John McClaine weary smartsass type there. And Silent Hill 3, where Heather is fed up with the religious/supernatural horror crap.

In anycase, he lassoed her neck and jerked her away from the telephone, not exactly something that's kind. Maybe it's not so bothering since it's known Pantha can take the pain, being tougher than most. And there's a reason she flips out - being "held down" makes her remember all the pain and suffering she went through under the Wildebeest's Society experiments. There's a panel in her first appearance where she remembers being chained down and experimented on. Think of it as Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, something Slade probably know about, given his war experience.

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Fact of the matter is, the "werewolf syndrome" wasn't too unique. The animal girl, the furry, is seen all over myth, comics, anime, and manga.

Connor? His was unique. He was the product of the world's greatest superhero and his arch nemesis. He was two worlds, two identities, that were so against each other, brought into one package. He could never be simply the hero or simply the villain no matter which way he went based on the concept of his origins.

Well, I could say everything's just a riff on the Gilgemesh/Odysseus/Moses/Jesus archetype from Superman right up to Superboy. Terra and Rose are Femme Fatal archetypes right out of Film Noir. I could say Superboy's just another riff on Jekyll and Hyde. Or Superboy's the "imposter" trying to become real a la Pinocchio, A.I., Blade Runner or any movie where the "son" tries to live up to the "father."

And if you want to be really reductionist, Conner's and Pantha's story are the exact same: "artificial" outsiders with two opposite identities clashing with each other for dominance (Conner's is Superman/Lex, Pantha Beast/Human). Conner's is actually much easier to decide on than Pantha - he's Superboy, of course he's going to turn out good, of course he's going to have a soul and be just like any other person. Lex as a human has a soul, and you wouldn't doubt Superman has one even though he's an alien. Pantha being a beast makes this much more tougher. And Lex is a sophisticated genius, not the violent beast Pantha has mixed in her.

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We don't know much about Kid Devil's origin's yet. What if the Chief is responsible for his creation, and the purpose of him being a moster isn't the search for his humanity (since he remembers that I'm sure) but the prupose couldbe connected to the chief, which while similar to Pantha's in an arbituary way, has a completely different potential.

Well, Chief says "someone transformed him using meta-human gene manipulation." I don't think it's hinted he's responsible for that. And what exactly was Dayton's role in Pantha's creaton?

I was referring to KD and Pantha both being "visible outsiders," that is, those who are so physically different from normal (or close to normal) people, they can't ever really blend into society.

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It was after she settled in (or really her failure to settle into the book) that she began to be criticzed.

But why carry a grudge for so long that you don't give her another chance after who knows how many years? If people are able to blame the writers for that kind of failure with other characters (like Hawkman or Donna), why are fans attacking the character itself?

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So how about extening Rose that courtesy. People haven't accepted her completely yet, either. Some level the same criticisms against her that they began to with Pantha.

And now finally, you're criticizing Rose as replacing Pantha, but what do you think Pantha was doing?

People didn't like Pantha because she was replacing the other heroes, taking the center stage....So people hated Pantha for the same reason you're criticizing all these other characters. I think you're missing that. She did what you see these other characters doing - take stories another character had a potential for and stealing the show. That's what people hated about her.

I'm all for keeping Rose (I like Rose/Eddie), and it's not like I would want her killed off. Unlike a ton of fans who creepily got off on Pantha's death. I wouldn't be so angry about Rose if Pantha hadn't been killed off with her origin/identity unresolved and Rose taking the same place, doing the same exact things people criticize Pantha for doing. And that Rose, so far, hasn't gone beyond the Pouty, Sexy, Bad Girl Stereotype that lets her off the hook. I don't like what it's implying overall, that self-reliant, strong characters like Pantha are killed off in favor of clingy, "troubled" characters who have to rely on sex appeal for popularity. And from what I keep hearing in ComicBloc, many users would be happy getting rid of all the Titans' original characters in favor of making it Justice League Kid's Meal, so I take those complaints about new characters stealing or ruining things with a grain of salt.

And I don't see how killing Pantha is a solution to "hogging the spotlight and replacing characters" especially when she's been gone in limbo for years. Did Pantha really steal the spotlight from anyone? Weren't the Titans stagnant for a long while? Yeah, a lot of dumb things were done in that era, but it's stupid to put the blame on one character. Now no one can try to return to the character and realize that potential (unlike most of the Titans Pantha supposedly stole from). I mean, why do Kid Devil and Red Star get to be plucked out of obscurity?

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We're assuming what happens right now. We don't know what's going on with Red Star.

Given DC's (and comics in general) track record with killing off girlfriends/wives just to give the men angst and "depth" (Alex. Katma, Sue, to name a few), I really, really would not be surprised at all if that's the direction they took. Frankly, I'd easily figure Pantha's death in as more evidence the comic industy has a sexist bias.

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So don't think I only pick n Pantha, there are others out ther who I criticize just as much....You seem to think people are accepting Rose right away, they're not, alot of us are waiting. What interests me most about her is simply her relaitonship with Eddie, but I admit that's not enough for me to say she's an amazing character. She'll need to show me she has more to her. And right now we can't criticize her, because she hasn't had her arc yet - she may go through something that radically changes how she acts, perhaps some final closure with Slade and acceptance by Cassie. It's still too early, so give it time, the same time you wanted for Pantha.

I'm not trying to single you out or rip on you, it's just general frustration from other, various sources.

Maybe it's just because I'm relying on ComicBloc to gauge for opinion, but the general impression I get is that Rose is "edgy" and great, and boy oh boy did robin miss his chance. Rose, by virtue of being Slade's daughter will be gauranteed her time. Duella could have been killed off in IC, but no, she's going to get her time and her origin. Donna is not going to be killed off. Jason Todd gets to come back alive. Pantha never completely got that time, eventually being shafted by appearing out of nowhere just to be killed, no set up, no resolution, nothing.

I dunno. I'm just tired. I shot my self in the foot once again.

EDIT: Actually, I'd also like to mention Pantha was calling Dick out on being a tramp before calling Dick out on being a tramp was cool.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 27, 2006, 4:06pm

There there Sans, I understand at least.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 27, 2006, 4:31pm

We haven't seen too much with what's going to happen with Pantha. I'm sure once Red Star gets face time, we'll see her story played out more.

In the end, that's the comics. It's gonna work like that. I'd liked to see DOnna actually stay dead (the fact that they gave her a funeral when you see her alive in another place on the same page she dies on, and yet she gets a funeral and Lillith didn't was just wrong). Duela I'll never understand. Who's her daddy? Who gives a rat's ass. Once you find out... what happens then? They come back later and go "Uh oh - that wasn't REALLY her daddy, this guy is!"

But unfortunately it's the same thing for Pantha. Like Duela, they spent so much dangling the mystery of her origins in front of our faces for so long, alot of people didn't care anymore.

As for people taking joy in it... I didn't see it. I saw alot of people going "At least Pantha died and not (insert name here)."

Now as for why she died, you can't blame Johns. I have nothing confirmed, but it seems besides offering a person from each team up to be sacrificed, the editors choose a set of unused heroes or villains that they deemed expendable. It seems likely Johns was given a list of casualities to be used during IC.

Was her death uick? Yes. But in the grand scope of what he was trying to write, he had to give priority. In a series involving every hero and villain in the DCU, giving her several pages of set-up wasn't exactly an option.

But I disagree, I think Johns is trying to salvage it. I think he's using it to give us Red Star back. Way I see it, he was told she had to die, and he's trying to make it meaningful. We still have the rest of "52" and the upcoming issues of "Teen Titans" to go through before we can say it's over. We also can't forget "Annuals" or "Secret Files" or "Classifieds".

It looks like her death was inevitable, and so rather than do NOTHING with it, he's giving us back Red Star from obscurity. Was that the best way for it to happen? No. But at least it won't be forgotten. Not like Lillith - Pantha's death will at least remain a part of the motivation for Red Star. And now that we're seeing that it might not have been Red Star who drove to the DP, but The Chief, we can't assume all the development was in a negative way yet.

We need to wait first.

I mean this is Geoff Johns, whose first series followed that of a young, family troubled, not big chested girl as his first original series (Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E.). This is the man who gave Powergirl depth and made her into a likable and competent hero. He's also a good friend of Gail Simone, who also runs the WIR website, and he's listed under her correspondant page.

Let's see where things go first. Don't beso quick to blame the writer, this could have been (and probably was) editorial.

And we've all seen what happens when editors think they have good ideas.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 27, 2006, 5:20pm

Yeah. Can we say, 'Hindenburg'? And what's WIR?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 27, 2006, 6:23pm

WIR = Women In Refrigerators
A term coined by a group of writers (including Gail Simone) that describes the phenomenon of abuse of female characters in fiction.

Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators

There is a website created by the coiners of the term as well: http://www.unheardtaunts.com/wir/

I first heard about this term from Pliskin.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on May 27, 2006, 9:39pm

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As for people taking joy in it... I didn't see it. I saw alot of people going "At least Pantha died and not (insert name here)."

I've seen more than enough goddamm jokes about it on ComicBloc, the DC official board, and some comic blogs. Even Johns made fun of it.

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Now as for why she died, you can't blame Johns. I have nothing confirmed, but it seems besides offering a person from each team up to be sacrificed, the editors choose a set of unused heroes or villains that they deemed expendable. It seems likely Johns was given a list of casualities to be used during IC.

Was her death uick? Yes. But in the grand scope of what he was trying to write, he had to give priority. In a series involving every hero and villain in the DCU, giving her several pages of set-up wasn't exactly an option.

But I disagree, I think Johns is trying to salvage it. I think he's using it to give us Red Star back. Way I see it, he was told she had to die, and he's trying to make it meaningful. We still have the rest of "52" and the upcoming issues of "Teen Titans" to go through before we can say it's over. We also can't forget "Annuals" or "Secret Files" or "Classifieds".

I really doubt that. If Johns was really trying to salvage something and make it meaningful, he would've done something more in the Teen Titans crossover, he wouldn't have made the death so goddamn campy and ridiculous, and he wouldn't fscking joke about it, especially when it's supposed to be a tragic, harrowing scene. It's not heroic at all, and she's killed by accident. And those extra two panels are even more ignoble.

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It looks like her death was inevitable, and so rather than do NOTHING with it, he's giving us back Red Star from obscurity. Was that the best way for it to happen? No. But at least it won't be forgotten. Not like Lillith - Pantha's death will at least remain a part of the motivation for Red Star. And now that we're seeing that it might not have been Red Star who drove to the DP, but The Chief, we can't assume all the development was in a negative way yet.

There's really nothing (in all of comics, and Johns himself) that gives me any confidence that Johns will salvage her character, barring bringing her back as part of the clone story. I've floated the idea that Pantha might be resurrected along with Sue, or be regrown/cloned and that's the shocking secret, but that's been shot down. The only positive I can see is that Tony Daniel will draw Pantha. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if she's mentioned once and never brought up again even in the Red Star issue.

And it'll be forgotten, like Katma's. Once Red Star gets his arc done and his new stature fixed, we'll never her about her ever again. And her death is being used for Red Star's development and popularity boost is the definition of a WiR, so any cred he gets from Gail Simone is shot. Especially if Johns had any hand in Identity Crisis.

Johns can surprise me, but I'm doubting it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 27, 2006, 10:47pm

Frankly I think you're starting to get a little out of line here. You're going to let one disagreement about a single character completely color your opinion and be representative of Johns' entire career? With everythign else he's done with the series and other books, I don't think that's fair at all. Further, other authors have done worse.

As for the joke, it was an interview. They did the same thing with Connor, Bart, Wally, Superman, Raven, and so on over the years. It was hardly representative of anything. For all we know it was a subtle hint form Johns, since he LOVES to do that, and we're gonna see that Red Star has Pantha's head and he's attempting to bring her back. Sound absurd? I don't think so, he's pulled those fast ones on us before. It might be nothing at all, or it might be key to everything.

I still don't see how this destroys Johns credibitlity. Pantha was not the only casualiity, and not the only one that died unheroically, and there's nothing to support that Johns did was the one behind all of this. This was an event that was obviously concotted in a large part by the editors, and the gore involved was, it seems, connected greatly to how the editorship wanted the book to be in order to achieve an amount of shock value.

Before you go accussing the writer of anything, try tot learn what role he actually, and give him the chance. Other authors throughout the years have been forced to do things against their better judgement in ways that they wish they didn't have to do - such as Kole's death under Marv, and later Raven's death.

Stop blaming Johns for ruing a single character that he may not have even had as much of a hand in as you're accussing him of. Maybe he didn't feel as strongly about her dying as you do,. It's disrespectable to the real people who struggle to deliver a good story while trying to work with editorship. Was it the best way he could've written it? No. But in comparison to what he has done over the years, this is one event amongst many that, in the end, is barely representitive of what else he's given us. If it was an author who consistently did this, it'd be different, but it's not.

Though I suppose I see what you mean by how other fans reactd. From a review from a magazine (forget which one):

Speaking of dead characters, fifteen years ago, in a storyline in The New Titans that ran about a year too long, Marv Wolfman created a character named Pantha. A genetically engineered half-cat, half-woman, she did absolutely nothing of note, and was generally a useless, unpleasant character. Thankfully, she's barely appeared in the intervening years, and when she finally made her triumphant return recently in Infinite Crisis, she was promptly decapitated by a punch from a crazed Superboy-Prime. (And in case you've ever wondered what a head bouncing on concrete sounds like, the answer is apparently "FWMP.")

In honor of this great moment in comic book history, The Absorbacon has kicked off the Loyal Order of the Rolling Head of Pantha. I'm not entirely sure what it is, but I like the idea, and I'm on board.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on May 27, 2006, 11:51pm

I'm not condemning Johns based on this one thing, it's that from Infinite Crisis on I'vealso been underwhelmed or worse by what he's done. IC was a silly, rushed mess with a dumb, anti-climactic ending. I now have no desire to get into other DC titles, and I've dropped to a wait-and-see attitude with Titans. The attitude towards Pantha is just another example in a long line of WiRs.

Johns is a pretty influential figure at DC, being considered one of the "architects" of the new DCU. I really doubt he's as passive as you're making him out to be. This is his project, and apparently he went through different drafts of that Titans fight, so who knows what list he was given. Until we know different, there's no reason not say Johns wasn't fully behind it. Why did we need those two extra panels? That's rubbing it in far more than any other death, not to mention she was killed "accidently," while everyone else died in battle.

And I don't recall any jokes about Superboy's death coming from Johns or Didio right after it happened. It was dead serious.

And if that's foreshadowing, that's the dumbest, most out of palce, ridiculous plants ever. If people already are laughing about it now, how the hell are they going to take it seriously when it shows up again? How can you take Infinite Crisis as a standalone story like that? Especially if Johns and co. are cracking up about it? It just makes me think it's another massive failure on Johns part if what was supposed to be a tragic, harrowing scene, of Superboy's loss of innocence if nothing else, bombed and could only generate only campy laughter.

I could be just jaded and pissy and overreacting. That's a fair criticism to make.

Yeah, Absorbacon was one I was thinking of. Comics Should Be Good made fun of a post on a DC board lamenting her death, and there was a stupid 7-page thread on the DC official board. I came across the Absorbacon guy on another blog where he said if I didn't laugh at the extremeness of Pantha's Rolling Head, I'd have a hard time enjoying comics.

So, of course, there's something wrong with me.

And I'm starting to think that may be right.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 28, 2006, 6:54am

Nononononononono! You're not crazy. Personally, I think the people who laugh at the gory stuff in War and Horror movies are the ones who need to have their heads examined. So maybe Johns had a willing hand in it, maybe it was an Iron-Handed Editor, or maybe it was a combination of the two, we don't really know. Hopfully with IC coming out this September we'll be given some clues. And Pliskin, I thought Marv made Kole for the SOUL reason of dieing in CoIE?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 28, 2006, 9:16am

It's "sole" not "soul", and yes, that was the point, I was pointing it out as one of those mistakes he mades that was partly driven by requests from editors (they wanted him to kill someone from the Titans, so he had to make someone up) but still his own.

Frankly I think you're getting too out of line here. You're making accusation based on little to no real evidence. You're starting to criticize the author himself without knowing more about the motivation behind it or the reasons for it's occurence. The fact that Marv has seemingly said nothing about it is interesting to note as well' for all you know he was glad it happened too.

Further, you've put a real dent in your arguments. By getting so much into archetypes, you've made everything about a character seem arbituary; so much so that the character itself has became compeltely replaceable. That's not helping your case, it's helping the case of the editors, because now the only thing that makes one character different from another isn't the character itself, but the popularity of the character. And if two characters have the same generalized story, why use the one who's been completely demonized and hated over the years when you can use the one with the big following? Steer clear of these arguments, because all it leads people toi think: "Well if it's really is just the same story, then why should I care, I'd rather have (insert name)." Don't reduce characters to their archetypes (I don't agree with that practice to begin with) because it hurts your other arguments for Pantha.

This also makes it problematic when you consider that the "I'm a monster because of how I look" storyline first belonged to Cyborg, and was the motivation for and most commmon thread of his story for all these years. Alot of people saw Pantha as trying to replace Cyborg; a cat-girl trying to replace one of the only African American characters in the DCU itself.

Do not marginalize who the characters are, becuase you'll only marginalize who Pantha was.

You're not going to convince people of anything like this. Rather than focusing on discrediting Johns (which, with everything else he's done over the years, isn't going to happen, most will credit him with being allowed to make a mistake), I think you need to focus on who Pantha was WITHOUT mentioning anything about how arbituary the stories of the other characters are. Because telling people "Pantha could've don this, it's the same story" will just have them say "well if it's the same story, I like this character better, so I rather see it with him/her".

I took no joy in Pantha's death, but I wasn't moved by it either. I did dislike her to a degree. I saw her as being like Duela; she had a gimmick (her origin) that overshadowed everything else about her character. And she was being attached to a man (once again), and so we were just getting another femle character who was only finding comfort in a man. The attitude made me think it was more of a way of covering up the staleness of her character than anything interesting. Could I have been rpoven wrong? Yes, if they had done something with it. That's been my personal opinion about Pantha. I'm sorry she went.

If anything, I suggest e-mailing Marv Wolfman, who apparantely does his best to respond to his fan's letters. See what he thought about it, and that might help you make a case for what you're trying to argue.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 28, 2006, 2:40pm

Okay, I think this argument has run it's course. Both sides have been made and thouroughly backed up in the minds of those making them, and I, personally, have grown rather bored with it. Now, may we change topics please?

P.S.: Sans? If you want to talk with someone, just send me a PM. ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 28, 2006, 4:47pm

Bad dog! You're not the moderator, no filling in her absence. *Newspaper poke.*

I'm all for jlg and what he's sayuing (fully on some, only to a degree on others). I'm behind him in his campaign to garner support for the original Pantha. I just think he needs to refine his arguments and avoid the finger pointing here, especially when you really can't support the accusations a hundred percent.

I think the best thing for him to do is to simply talk about Pantha, the character. Avoid the "(insert character) is just the same story, you could've used her" and the "it's hack writing to let her die this way. Especially when things are this early on, we don't know what's coming yet, they could devote an entire issue of 52 tp Red Star remembering the weeks and days before her death. It's still too early to tell.

I think he should try to get a word out of Wolfman, her creator, since he's been otherwise silent on.

Attempt to do that, and things will probably work out better.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 28, 2006, 6:39pm

....................................................................................Then why didn't you say that in the first place? It probably would've saved space and time. And frankly, you do sometimes come off as a jerk who can't stop from where I sit. *cocks eyebrow at paper* And is it so wrong to want a little peace?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 28, 2006, 6:46pm

*Newpaper poke.* bad puppy. Ellipses only have three periods. Four if it follows immediately after the end of another sentence.

I mentioned early on when Duela and Donna came up that I didn't want Pantha dead and that was merely interested in dissecting his arguments. It's what I do, been doing it from day one. In this case, for the purpose of helping him along, which I hope is what will happen, because I do support his cause, in this case. He even said he knew I wasn't picking on Pantha, so I hope at least he knew where I was coming from.

As for being a jerk, eh, go ahead and call me that. I always dig and dismantle and prod and look deeper into things, trying to hit it on the head. jlg continued speaking with me, and netiehr of us were insulting the other, so we were having a conversation.

I don't see what you even care about, you didn't enter the conversation. You don't like it, come back later after it's passed. Simple as such.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 28, 2006, 6:55pm

*sighs* I just don't like seeing my friends or people I respect get, or appear to be, picked on. I've never enjoyed the experience, kidding or no, it's not right if the object of jest isn't enjoying it. And thus when I see it happen, I usually feel for the 'victim'. And usually I keep out of it until I think it's starting to get out of hand.

As for skipping: I make a habit to read every post so that I can understand what's going on, and in case there's a nugget of Info that might prove useful later.

*looks left, then right* ........................................................................................................................ .......................

^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 28, 2006, 7:07pm

I made it clear early on that I wasn't trying to pick on him. I figured by now you people realize that I the people I have conversations with are people I usualy respect and talk to anyhow. I even get into conversations like this with Suki. If I'm doing it, I probably like you. I like to talk to people, and in this case I only wanted to get the gist of where his argument was going. I mentioned that, and I thought it was clear..

But this will go nowhere I see.

So I interrupt this pointlessness with a moment from Young Justice.

Starring Fite N' Madd, against the evil villainess - Mighty Endowed!

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 28, 2006, 7:19pm

*long...awkward...pause* ...Do I even want to know? *snort, chortle* Ah heck, tell us the back story if you be so kind.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 28, 2006, 7:28pm

He's make of fun of how all comic book women have big chests. Hence the line, "... she was just another routine bust."

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 28, 2006, 7:41pm

K9: This add a bit of literality to the phrase 'Flash' doesn't it?

Souveirg: ZING!

K9: ...Anyway, so she's technically not a real DCU villiness right? ...And I mean real as in existant.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on May 28, 2006, 7:57pm

The whole thing about archetypes was in response to that bit about Pantha's situation not being unique because of an archetype while Conner's and others are. You can reduce everything to archetypes if you want, but you get rid of the nuances. Cyborg may have had the "monster" angle, but being partially mechanized is different than being half-human, possibly never even human to begin with. Robots, cyborgs have a different set of meanings attached to them than animals. Cyborg, I don't think, had to really fend off some "Other," a dark half as much as Pantha - she was constantly in conflict with the instinctual, violent, evil Wildebeest nature that pervaded her personality. Cyborg's conflict seemed to be with the loss of his humanity, and cold emotionlessness, rather than the chaotic cacophony of Pantha. Cyborg always knew who he was, it was a matter of holding on to that - Pantha didn't even have that security. Her romance with Red Star never seemed to be her "relying" on man to "find confort" at the expense of her character - she was an "ugly" chracter not there for sex appeal, and it seemed like rare case where both where strong and active heroes, and Pantha seemed to keep her basic personality, instead of being turned into something like a housewife.

As for Johns, the thing is I'm seeing it as another point in a larger, ongoing trend. Killing the girlfriend/wife for the benefit of the hero's development has always been a dumb, old, cliche. Fans are putting together a site promoting women in comics inspired by Spoiler/Robin's torture and death and Didio's smug flippance about reversing that a la Todd. Johns and the panel's jokes seem too meanspirited to suggest anything positive (or something forced on him that he didn't want to do). Encouraging laughter seems the last thing Johns would want to do if he's going to bring it up later for a serious emotional effect.

I'd thought the cloning, the "shocking secret," and that whole speculation about Raven finding souls might tie into Pantha, but that was shot down. I don't really get much indication from Johns or elsewhere that there's going to be a lot of her aside from a brief mention. and I'm a natural pessimist. Can Johns surprise me? I'd love to have to eat my shoe, but I'm not really holding out any hope. Infinite Crisis was a major dissapointment for me.

I don't know, I'm just obsessive dork.

Maybe that letter would be good.

[EDIT: D'oh! The conversation just passed me by! :'(

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on May 28, 2006, 8:06pm

Yes it has. Now let us behold Might Endowed! She's a furry too. ^^

And I can't remember if Fite N' Madd were real heroes, or a television program that the YJ crew watched. I 'll have to check that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 28, 2006, 8:10pm

Meh, happens to the best of us sometimes Sans.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on May 29, 2006, 9:13am

*pets her small collection of Young Justice comics"

I really miss Young Justice. It always managed to make me giggle.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by silverlullaby on Jun 5, 2006, 2:46am

Yes, my sister has a set of YJ comics too. ^^ They always made me laugh out loud.

It's Starfire!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by childofdarkness on Jun 5, 2006, 10:07am

If they made a Beast Boy that size... *drool*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jun 5, 2006, 4:59pm

This one if for silverlullaby:
Here is the panel where Roy Harper tries to ask Raven out. This happened in #27 of the Wolfman-Perez era (first series), during the "Runaways" story arc. Robin quickly puts the kibosh on that one.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 5, 2006, 8:54pm

*sighs* Let me geuss: a different girl in every issue, right?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jun 5, 2006, 8:55pm

I think he was mostly talk at that point. He was a reserve member, and we didn't see him much. Joey, however, was with a different girl every other issue.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 5, 2006, 9:01pm

O_O!!!! You're kidding, right?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jun 5, 2006, 11:06pm

He's the strong, silent type ^_~

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by silverlullaby on Jun 7, 2006, 7:43am

Many girls tend to like that. ^_^

But not in the fake playboy way right? Joey seems like the type that just can't find the right girl.

Thanks for the scan KT! Haha, Roy's hilarious. He reminds me of Beast Boy when it comes to his flirting ways. Hmm, also, according to Titanstower, Wally at one point also started being a constant flirt/"brash womanizer."

http://titanstower.com/source/whoswho/wwest.html#love

"When Wally assumed the Flash mantle, he certainly made up for lost time in the romance department! Aftering an abrupt break-up with Frances Kane, Wally began to play the field and date a variety of women. It was at this time that Wally began a string of short-lived relationships (including one with Star labs scientist, Tina McGee). He became a brash womanizer and flirted heavily with his fellow Justice League team mates, notably Power Girl."

~~~

www.TitansGo.net have added some images of the would be TT series by Hanna-Barbera in the 1980's to their Official Artwork gallery. http://art.titansgo.net/

"We've quite an update for the Official Artwork gallery today! In the 1980s, Hanna-Barbera studios was planning to produce an animated series based on "The New Teen Titans" comic series by Marv Wolfman and George Perez. The series would've featured Wonder Girl (as leader instead of Robin), Kid Flash, Cyborg, Starfire, Raven, & Beast Boy. It would've been handled as a "Superfriends" spin-off, but sadly, this series never saw the light of day.

However, in celebration of Joseph Barbera's 95th birthday this year (March 24th), several of Hanna-Barbera's original pitch artwork for the series were put up in a gallery. We've acquired photos from this gallery, and have added 7 images to their own section in the Official Artwork gallery. Of interesting note are Raven's mode of transport, and HB's takes on the Titans' civilian identities. Check em out for a look at the Hanna-Barbera Teen Titans cartoon that almost was!

For some history regarding Hanna-Barbera's 1980s "New Teen Titans" series, check this page http://www.titanstower.com/source/theater/nttanimated.html from Titans Tower. And for these and more Teen Titans series artwork, visit our regularly updated Official Artwork gallery."

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 12:12am

This is getting inactive. I blame the animated series! Bart agrees with me.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 24, 2006, 12:14am

No, no... it's supposed to say, "DAMN YOU, SLADE!!!"

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 12:21am

XP

More bart funniness.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on Jun 24, 2006, 1:04am

XD <3
"I don't even know why I bother."
"Me neither. =)"

Ahahaha, Bart.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jun 24, 2006, 7:50am

*huggles Bart* I LOVED him when he was Impulse. I tell ya, this new angsty Bart just sucks wind. He's not fun anymore!

You know what? I just miss Young Justice. I miss it alot.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 24, 2006, 12:21pm

HAH! I love the ghosty enterance at the end of that.

I also love how the artist did her lines in brown instead of black to give her a softer, less tangible appearance.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 24, 2006, 12:22pm

Thats some funny stuff. Bart was awesome. ^_^

It's only been one issue of Flash. We should wait until were about five or six issues in and no sign of improvement before we call him the new angsty Bart. But I AM hoping he doesn't stay all angsty myself. That would suck. >_>

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 12:59pm

Quote:

HAH! I love the ghosty enterance at the end of that.

I also love how the artist did her lines in brown instead of black to give her a softer, less tangible appearance.

Yeah, that's Secret, who was murdered by her step-brother and became something like the Specter. She's basically a ghost.

Though I think she got her mortality back and is now just a normal girl. She was a good character.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jun 24, 2006, 1:05pm

She did become normal. Near the end of the YJ run, the kids encountered Darkseid, he turned Secret evil, she became good again, and Darkseid took away her powers. He thought that Greta's worst nightmare would be to be normal, but it was, in fact, what she's wanted all along.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 24, 2006, 2:00pm

*chuckles* 'Pointless Serveys Monthly'. *chuckles*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 7:40pm

Slade in his guest appearance in "Birds of Prey", long before he became a mere villain. Here's him being a patriot and showing a bit of honor:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 24, 2006, 8:06pm

Ya know, Slade's gotta point.

So what, they went to Skull Island? And who were those guys? Did they use to be with Uncle Sam and his guys?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 8:43pm

No, they were veterans, POW's at the island.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 24, 2006, 9:48pm

Ah. I see.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 10:37pm

By the way, anyone ever read any of Todd Nauck's other work? I know he does somethign for... Image, I think... called Wildgaurd:

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 24, 2006, 11:06pm

SQUEE!! Slade's so cuddly! *huggles Slade*

"Give 'em hell." How cute is that? ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 24, 2006, 11:15pm

Damn I miss the old Slade. Everyone who has seen scans of the old days with him says they were better, even rabid animated series fans. They really need to retcon his current behavior. T_T

Image? They're still around? Jeez. You never exactly hear of them anymore. Course, some of the starting books weren't that great (I'm a Jim Lee fan, but WILDCats was NOT a good book) and their current stuff is losing a bit of steam. >_>

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 11:19pm

They still match up with or beat out Dark Horse, so the two of them basically duke it out for the third and fourth slots (neither able to touch Marvel and DC who fight it for the first and second). Spawn and Witchblade really hold them up right now, they don't have much else that I know off-hand, though a friend of mine likes Fear Agent, i think.

The biggest advantage Image has is the near-lack of editorship, no editor can affect the work of the writer, and the writer maintains full rights and ownership over their own work, which is attractive to many people. I wasn't aware Nauck had his own series with them, so I was wondering about it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 24, 2006, 11:21pm

Editors are not always bad. Just when they try to be the idea-man. Too little editorship can be a bad thing.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 11:24pm

Not sure I can believe that yet, there's alot to consider.

That and I rather own my creations, editors or not. It's something to consider anyhow. The company also suffered from in-fighting, especially with Leifield supposedly using the company to support his own independent publisher.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 24, 2006, 11:30pm

Well, the thing with the both of them is that Image really rely's on two or three flagship franchises that I hear from fans are beginning to get stale and Dark Horse handles a lot of Manga and obscure titles. Dark Horses only real comic claim to fame is the Star Wars series.

Well, editorship can definitly be a good and bad thing. On the one token, editors have stuck their noses in too far. Jim Shooter ordering Chris Claremont and John Byrne to change the ending of the Dark Phoenix X-Men storyline and the infamous mid ninties stint of Teen Titans. At the same time they can be a good thing. I mostly think Marvel really went to hell when they lost Jim Shooter as editor. Back when he was the editor continuity, especially between titles, was very tight. Now it's just a mess.

Double-edged sword.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 24, 2006, 11:35pm

The problem with a company that attempts to keeps all their titles in a single continuity is that - ediotrial encroachment. Especially whena successful title has to cater to less successful or newer titles with crossovers; such as with the Titans, that had crossovers galore before the OYL. Not having a unified continuity that's company-wide has it's advantages also.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jun 26, 2006, 2:05pm

http://tonydaniel.blogspot.com/

Tony Daniels alert! Woot, I got to do it for once.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jun 26, 2006, 2:53pm

Wow... it's amazing to see how much his art has changed for the better.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 26, 2006, 9:01pm

Tony get's even better as time goes on. I just hope I'm interested enough in the future to see it and actually appreciate it...

I hope to see more great stuff from him. He really is developing into a great artist.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on Jun 27, 2006, 2:44am

My LCS had a sale a little while ago, and I picked up the Tales of the Teen Titans issue after Terror of Trigon.
The Titans are given a parade, seeing as the saved the world and all.
Nightwing and Lilith on TV, talkin' about Raven:
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Cy and Gar find the publicity a bit annoying (hehe, Speedo Gar! XD):
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Arella's a bit annoyed that they haven't gone to look for Raven yet.
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Eventually she decides to just go look for Raven on her own.

Everyone's been a bit freaked out by what happened, so they go camping again. Gar doesn't want to talk about it. But he opens up eventually.
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Gar angsts.
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Cyborg ~~poses dramatically~~ angsts.
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This is why I like Kory.

But not her fashion choices.
((Her pose in panel 1 demands to be edited onto a surfboard.))
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Aw, Gar.

Mostly just scanned this panel because he looks like he's dancing.
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I also found the issue where they go to the canyon before this, and Cyborg shares his story. I could post some scans from that if anyone's interested.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jun 27, 2006, 8:39am

I know it's a serious moment, but I keep getting distracted by Star's stupid "We Love Gar" t-shirt.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 27, 2006, 9:33am

And those shorts. ...Oy.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 10:01am

I think it's cute. ^^

See, this is the Starfire they should have had in the show. No wonder no one takes the show Star seriously...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jun 27, 2006, 11:16am

What I like most about all of those pages is the fact that they are in normal cloths. FAR to often in the new series they wear their costumes when there is absolutly no reason to. If I had to dress up to go to work I wouldnt wear those clothes 24/7.

Its unatural and unrealistic for them to wear their spandex that often. Its one of the few real problems I have with the new TT. At least the old titans have heard of civies.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 11:32am

That was my biggest gripe in the show. Read the ealy interviews with the crew - they believed that the Titans should be heroes all the time, because that's how coulds would be, and because it might get too messy with the whole secret identities/real names thing.

The entertainment industry has LOW views of children.

that, or they think too much of themselves and how they've rotted kids brains.

one or the other or both.

The series itself was just weak in comparison to what it could have been.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by bogbrush on Jun 27, 2006, 11:56am

Quote:

That was my biggest gripe in the show. Read the ealy interviews with the crew - they believed that the Titans should be heroes all the time, because that's how coulds would be, and because it might get too messy with the whole secret identities/real names thing.

The entertainment industry has LOW views of children.

that, or they think too much of themselves and how they've rotted kids brains.

one or the other or both.

The series itself was just weak in comparison to what it could have been.

Yeah, i hate it when industries go around treating children like their morons. When are they going to realize that kids know when their being looked down on and being patronized?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 27, 2006, 12:39pm

And if you ask your average 6-11 year-old boy (the main target audience) you'll find that a lot of them can be really violent little things.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 27, 2006, 1:00pm

Maybe K9, but that wasn't the point. The thing about the Teen Titans animated series is it treats kids like their idiots, something Batman: TAS and X-Men: TAS never did.

The sad part? The kids eat this crap up and we, the comic fans, begin to get the tail end of it. Because we're the only ones who understand what the series is in comparison to what it should have been.

Personally Pliskin, I think it's both, but either way, the fact remains the show was popular, no matter it's true worth in comparison to what it was based after in reality. That's what blows the most.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 27, 2006, 2:42pm

Quote:

Maybe K9, but that wasn't the point. The thing about the Teen Titans animated series is it treats kids like their idiots, something Batman: TAS and X-Men: TAS never did.

Yes I understand that, but my point was that a third possible reason so many shows are like they are is because the Entertainment industry is also trying to avoid the wrath of all these Nazis-esque Parents Groups who think they know how to raise other peoples children, and a major platform for said groups is that 'TV Violence is responsible for the corruption of our youth!', without even taking a survey of what the kids want to see, or one of Child Psychiatrists opinion of what violence in children's television works in a childs mind. (and even if they did, they'd just twist the data to support them)

Now while a grain of truth might be in there under all the generalization, but shootings like Columbine and Juvinal Delinquincy as a whole have more School Society and bad home life to blame then TV.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 2:45pm

The problem with TV is that most parents use it to babysit their kids and keep them quiet. Some parents actually have their kids eat earlier so they can watch TV while the parents have a quiet dinner, and the kids just watch whatever is on even if there's nothign they want to see. THAT"S what causes obesity, antisocial behavior, ADHD and ADD, and all those other things that make people add to the damage by shoving perscriptions down their throats.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 27, 2006, 2:56pm

Well, the eating early thing I can understand as bad parenting, but the Obesity, ADD, ADHD and all that I think is Parents who won't be Parents and try to be their 'Firend'. So the Folks don't tell them 'Don't eat that, we'll be eating soon', or won't give the Kids a needed spanking when they get to far outta line, and just won't say NO! and stick with it, or even back up their threats. And as the son of a Middle-School Teacher in a some-what backcountry town, who has raised two other perfectly normal, productive children, I overhear her stories that I just find funny.

Example, there was this mother of a 'Problem Child' in my moms class who was just plain disrepectful who came during a Parent-Teacher Confrence. The whole time the mother was saying 'how much they practice respect in their household' and whatnot, and all the while the three-year old in her arms was bascily spitting in my moms face, and the other mom wasn't doing anything about it.

Example II: Another mother of a 'Problem Child' came in really hacked off at the teachers and the principle because of somethings they were saying to her kids:

Mother: *blah blah* If I talked to my kids the way you are, Child Services would come and take them away!

Principle: The only reason we talk to your children the way we do is because you won't.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 27, 2006, 3:09pm

Okay, this is devolving into territory I tend too avoid at all costs, as I get sick of talking about this stuff, but in my view part of the problem is that parents are not around enough. Spanking, no. Groundation works if you use it enough. I agree with the saying no and backing up threats though.

I can tell you from experience as someone with ADHD that we are NOT easy to deal with at all. On that note, sometimes the medication DOES go to far. In my experience, it's not bad to take an edge off, and to be honest some of us need that. I had a ridiculously hard time trying to concentrate on schoolwork and the like without my medication. In fact it was damn near impossible. So in other words I agree that the medication is used too much, but I think it's needed in other instances.

There's nothing wrong with parents being your friend. My mom is one of the only real friends I've ever really had, so do NOT diss that. But it is true that there are points when someone need to put their foot down and they dont. Case is usually that the parents are parents before they should be and aren't ready to deal with it. So later on, they don't want to deal with the BS involved with the kid not getting their way and just give in.

And parents who shove their kids in front of television instead of dealing with them have no business being parents to begin with.

Now, isn't this the wrong thread for this conversation or debate?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 27, 2006, 3:15pm

To be honest, I never liked getting spanked, but it kept me in line for years, and I can really only think of three instances in my entire life that my behind was slapped. But again, some parents still take it to far. If your kids eleven, or worse, fifteen and you're still physically reprimanding them, you should take a good look at your parenting skills and consider Anger Managment.

And yes we have strayed.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jun 27, 2006, 3:39pm

I actually liked the show's full-time superhero idea, if only because it fit the show's fun, free-flowing, FLCL-inspired nature. I mean, "secret identites" are moot if you're someone like BB and Cyborg, you're not going to be fooling anyone unless you go that aborted '80s cartoon specs and have Gar and Vic in some holographic/whatever disguise. The show did have a number of bad spots, but, on the whole, it's a heck of a lot better than most other kid's shows, like... well, most of Cartoon Network's current slate. I mean, the show actually got away with suprisingly a lot.

It's not that show is complete crap, it's just the show's tone and the comic's tone are two different, incompatable things. The cartoon doesn't need or want to worry about the potential pitfalls of secret IDs, the idea of being a full-time superhero would seem fun to kids. The comics are a different beast.

Some things can work in both formats, but only in the general sense - character development and interaction is one strength the show had, but the comic shouldn't necessarily copy exactly the cartoon. Just the focus on characterization and have things be less about plots. Allow for stories outside of apocalyptic battles.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jun 27, 2006, 4:00pm

How did my comment on the TT not wearing enough normal clothes devolve into this?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jun 27, 2006, 4:13pm

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How did my comment on the TT not wearing enough normal clothes devolve into this?

*shrugs*

I find that people will whine and moan about most anything if you give them any intro. Even if the intro has nothing to do with that they're complaining about.

As for all those pictures from a bit ago, they were some very good scenes. I really liked the set of issues that came out around those scenes.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 27, 2006, 4:17pm

Don't ask me Kaze. I'm not responsible for this. >_>

I'm sorry JLG, but to me the show was crap. Yes they did the characterizations and the like, but it was of versions of the comic characters that may as well have been completely different for most ofo them. It lost most of what made the Titans special in the first place.

For another thing they DID NOT need to make the tone of the show that way. They could easily have brought Bruce Timm on board in the nitty gritty of the work and had a more serious and faithful adaption. Instead they went for a japanese convention rip off hack job of a series.

About civvie clothes, come on. No friggin hero is gonna be in their spandex suit all the time. It's ridiculous to even think so. In any more realistic show they wouldn't be able to walk out the door without being mobbed. Yes Cyborg and Gar can't exactly get away with it, but they seem to stay out of the publicity and the spotlight anyways. Plus the idea of being a full-time superhero is not even plausible. They cannot be superhero's all the time. Not even Batman can do that. In reality they would have a life outside the job. It's another example of treating kids like idiots and pandering to the idea.

I'm sorry, but I never watched most of CN's shows and the ones I did I thought were better then Teen Titans. I was only ever there for Adult Swim and Justice League. Any other time I was watching CourtTV and forensic shows. There's always a decent alternative.

Pliskin could probably detail this stuff better then me.

By the way, on the subject of the scans, were those issues ever collected? Or will I have to scour the back issue bins for them?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 5:26pm

Hah, I was never spanked, I had no curfew, my only rules were no drugs or alchohol or illegal activities, and the such!

And look at how I turned out!

...

No comments please.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 5:43pm

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I actually liked the show's full-time superhero idea, if only because it fit the show's fun, free-flowing, FLCL-inspired nature. I mean, "secret identites" are moot if you're someone like BB and Cyborg, you're not going to be fooling anyone unless you go that aborted '80s cartoon specs and have Gar and Vic in some holographic/whatever disguise. The show did have a number of bad spots, but, on the whole, it's a heck of a lot better than most other kid's shows, like... well, most of Cartoon Network's current slate. I mean, the show actually got away with suprisingly a lot.

It's not that show is complete crap, it's just the show's tone and the comic's tone are two different, incompatable things. The cartoon doesn't need or want to worry about the potential pitfalls of secret IDs, the idea of being a full-time superhero would seem fun to kids. The comics are a different beast.

Some things can work in both formats, but only in the general sense - character development and interaction is one strength the show had, but the comic shouldn't necessarily copy exactly the cartoon. Just the focus on characterization and have things be less about plots. Allow for stories outside of apocalyptic battles.

I wasn't even talking about secret ID's when I started the conversation. Obviously, Kory, Raven, Gar, and Vic have no secret identities in the comics. Raven came the closest I suppose, but that's because she was very softspoken and would usually be behind her cowl, so people wouldn't take notice of her outside her outfit. But she doesn't figure into this since that is her real name.

The problem for me was in Season 5 when apparantely, despite everything they went through, they didn't know Beastboy's real name was Gar. I mean that just came off as silly and a bit unbbelievable.

Even more so because he had no secrets to hide. If they kept the bit about being a child actor, then everyone would have defiantely of known who it is.

My gripe is that I see no good reason for them to never mention Cyborg, Starfire, or Beastboy by name. There was no point not to. Kory they could have gone away with most by saying Starfire in Tamaranian translates to Koriand'r. It'd been nice if they had used Kory a few times when they hanging out, if for no other reason than it's a nice name.

Robin I could have let slide. He needs his secret identity protected and such. But that could've been used to make his relationship with Starfire much deeper, like if she was the only one who knew, or it could've made for a great final moment of the series, if he were to tell them his real identity.

Vic and Gar though, I don't buy that. Especially with them being best friends, when Cyborg went "Hm... Gar-field", I shook my head. He at least should've known that one, or said something like "I thought your name was Logan?" just so it at least seems like Beastboy half-lied out of embarassment about his name.

I also think this betrayed the premise of the show - if they're supposed to be best friends who are super heroes togehter, and then also like room mates, why wouldn't that come out sooner than it did? Five Seasons? Unless each season was happenning within a month of the next or something, I can't see it happenning.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 5:48pm

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About civvie clothes, come on. No friggin hero is gonna be in their spandex suit all the time. It's ridiculous to even think so. In any more realistic show they wouldn't be able to walk out the door without being mobbed. Yes Cyborg and Gar can't exactly get away with it, but they seem to stay out of the publicity and the spotlight anyways. Plus the idea of being a full-time superhero is not even plausible. They cannot be superhero's all the time. Not even Batman can do that. In reality they would have a life outside the job. It's another example of treating kids like idiots and pandering to the idea.

This is a good point too, and related to the above. Would it have been such a big deal to see Cyborg in some regular clothes and Gar in a Hawian shirt?

And again, this is where the premise of the show contradicts itself. How can you have a bunch of teen super heroes who are more about having fun, but then also have them be super heroes all the time?

Again, the one I could have let slide by was Robin. Though he could've disappeared a few times, secretly on hiatus; in other words, we know he's relaxing and being Dick Grayson, but we never see it.

Again, great moment for the final episode missed - Robin removing his mask and revealing his real name.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jun 27, 2006, 6:12pm

Getting past the AS, I was talking about the comic. Ya it happens every now and then but its still far to often that we see them at home in their costumes.

Its illogical for all the reasons I and others gave, and really when the comic is supposed to be so superior then why do they fall into some of the same pitfalls as the AS?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 6:35pm

No one ever said the comics were perfect. I even disagree with some thigns that Johns has done. And it's still a business.

It's just that overall you see more quality of storytelling in the comics than you do in the animated series. And the problem is that the animated series really had no reason to use some of this quality as the basis for what it did. Further, it had the benefit of knowing what didn't work and what worked, since it had been years since those issues were released, so it could know what would have been a bad move and what would have been a good one.

I wasn't expecting a panel-for-panel recreation here. But I was expecting them to really respect the source material and give us something with a similar amount of quality.

Take Batman:TAS - frankly, I found that series superior to the current comics. Example - Mr. Freeze was just a jewel thief with a gimmick in the comics, but the animated series gave him REAL depth and pathos. It made him more real. That's what made Batman: TAS one of the greatest aniamted series of its time - it took the source material and made it better.

Compare Teen Titans: TAS to the comics... and you fall short far more than you jump forward. brother Blood was turned into a villain with a gimmick. Slade became Dr. Evil. Very few of their actual adversaries were used.

While the animated series as a series wasn't bad, it wasn't great either, because it attemtped to do nothing new, and did nothing to add depth. In fact it did much of the opposite at times.

The other problem wasn't so much the fault of the Animated Series as it was DC's. See, Batman could have a kiddy-focused show and never suffer because of it. I dount we will ever see Batman comics ever become like "The Batman". Maybe some little references, but I doubt they'll de-age Bruce and give him a Bat-bot, or give the Joker dreds, or revert Mr. Freeze back to the jewel thief with a gimick.

But the Titans, for whatever reason, even despite their success in the past that was close to par with Batman, don't have the advantage of that luxury. They can and so far seem to be liable to changes that hurt the history and make the story more shallow than what it has been. And Beastboy's costume right now is simply horrendous, even though I love Tony Daniel's work, it just needs to go (how kids won't know that a green man that turns into animals isn't beastboy because he's not wearing black and purple is beyond me).

The real problem and issue with the animated series was that it failed to really respect the source material it was based off of. The Teen Titans of the Marv Wolfman were NOT targeted toward kiddies. So why should the show be? Perhaps if the show was based off the Fab Four era, yeah. Or perhaps if it was a show for Young Justice. Those were always targeted toward younger audiences.

But what they did would be like taking Spawn and giving him a Saturday morning kids show on the WB. Let's make him pink, and no scars cause that's too scary, and he's not actually dead, etc.

it just kinda chips away at the good story that's there. And as a person who loves a good story, and wants to write good stories, I just found that the animated series couldbn't hit the mark from the beginning. The catchline - "Truth, Justice, and Pizza" - just made me squirm whenever I heard it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jun 27, 2006, 7:24pm

I remember a panel at DragonCon last year, where they talked about the transformation of comics into another medium. Someone mentioned they had heard one producer or other Hollywood person ask, when they were planning the "Spiderman" movie, if it had really had to be about spiders.

Yeesh.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 7:44pm

When I was at the library today, they had the TTG comic with the Doom Patrol, and now I wish I had picked it up. Some FREAKISHLY cute BB stuff in there. Like when Rita was telling how BB loved the Frog Prince fairy tale, and the flashback has Rita reading to a little BB in footie pajamas, and how he would sometimes turn into a frog and refuse to go to bed until Rita kissed him goodnight and said, "Goodnight, Prince Charming."

Really cute at the end when they had to go fight some crime and Raven called him Prince Charming and he was like, "D...did you just call me Prince Charming?".

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jun 27, 2006, 7:46pm

Awwww, that was a cute issue. (*rereads it*)

d'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jun 27, 2006, 8:14pm

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When I was at the library today, they had the TTG comic with the Doom Patrol, and now I wish I had picked it up. Some FREAKISHLY cute BB stuff in there. Like when Rita was telling how BB loved the Frog Prince fairy tale, and the flashback has Rita reading to a little BB in footie pajamas, and how he would sometimes turn into a frog and refuse to go to bed until Rita kissed him goodnight and said, "Goodnight, Prince Charming."

And then he would reply, "Sweet dreams, Fair Maiden."

How adorable can he get? :-*

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Really cute at the end when they had to go fight some crime and Raven called him Prince Charming and he was like, "D...did you just call me Prince Charming?".

Yeah, that was the BB/Rae thing that was requested by someone when she won first place and had her character appear in that issue.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 8:17pm

No kidding? Cool! I hope more cute stuff like that shows up. ^^

Who was her character?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 8:23pm

Pff, why couldn't Torres write an episode for the show. XP

...

... Okay I'm going to his site and requesting a Matt Logan appearance. @_@

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 8:27pm

YUS! A TTG Matt Logan! Probably not as Beerman. Kid comic, donchaknow.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 8:37pm

Eh, he can still be a slacker though!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jun 27, 2006, 8:42pm

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No kidding? Cool! I hope more cute stuff like that shows up. ^^

Who was her character?

I think her name was Card or something...

Just think of an older orange cloaked version of Raven.

YUS! MATT LOGAN! @_@

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 8:45pm

Oh, I remember that.

And remember thinking it was incredibly uninspired.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 27, 2006, 8:48pm

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YUS! A TTG Matt Logan! Probably not as Beerman. Kid comic, donchaknow.

K9: You're right, I think he'd be-*fanfair* SODAMAN! *turns on radio*

Radio: *in the tune of the 1960's Spider-man theme* Sodaman, Sodaman,

Does what ever a soda can.
Fizz and belch,
Sizzle squeltch
..............That's all I got.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jun 27, 2006, 9:03pm

Can we have page scans from that issue please?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 9:03pm

You'll have to ask KT or Nagaina. I didn't pick it up save to read it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 9:15pm

That scene with Rita sounds cute enough that even I have to admit its freaking cute.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 9:22pm

It's even cuter when you see his pajamas.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 9:31pm

I am such a tool for what I had my brother post.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 9:32pm

..you really are a tool. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 9:33pm

Yus ma'am. ^^ But hopefully I get a Matt Logan cameo!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 9:34pm

As long as its' worth the tooldom. ::)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jun 27, 2006, 9:34pm

Dangit, I miss everything because of class.

At least we got to watch House in it.

And Kiddy BB was the most adorable thing ever.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 9:38pm

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As long as its' worth the tooldom. ::)

Oh quiet. Don't tell me you never did something silly and cute for something you wanted. Say no and I post some YIM convos.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 27, 2006, 9:40pm

I know I have. I've gone silly fangirl just so Svet would respond to my PMs and flattering annoyance so Tenopet would critique my lineart.

Both did, and are total sweethearts. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 27, 2006, 9:41pm

Let's hope Torres can pull it off. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on Jun 28, 2006, 2:22am

Everyone: "Awwwwwwwww."

And, just because.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jun 28, 2006, 6:57am

Walk like an egyption (SP?). Jeeze now I feel old.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 28, 2006, 7:39am

There should be laws against this much cuteness.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 28, 2006, 8:56am

He should've made Rae do The Point. Or maybe The Moonwalk!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 28, 2006, 9:25am

The Macarena.

I told you that page was cute. It's the footie pajamas that get me. And the expression on this little froggy face. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 28, 2006, 10:55am

The froggy face is feinately cute beyond repose. o_o

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jun 28, 2006, 4:35pm

[image]

Well, I think it counts as a moment.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 28, 2006, 5:09pm

I think it's kinda cute! ^_^ Also, any news on 52?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jun 28, 2006, 5:22pm

From what I can tell, Starfire's been trapped by that big New God (I think?), and apparently she's been hopped up on space fruit. Other than that, there doesn't seem to be any more Titans 52 news. And so far, we're equal with the Lilith fans about not having a funeral.

Although it's probably been mentioned already that Week 21 is a big Titans issue, since apparently the Titans didn't do anything of note until 21 weeks after the crisis.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 28, 2006, 5:31pm

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From what I can tell, Starfire's been trapped by that big New God (I think?), and apparently she's been hopped up on space fruit. Other than that, there doesn't seem to be any more Titans 52 news. And so far, we're equal with the Lilith fans about not having a funeral.

Although it's probably been mentioned already that Week 21 is a big Titans issue, since apparently the Titans didn't do anything of note until 21 weeks after the crisis.

Yeah right, you know some SOB in a suit at DC will eventually get the idea of doing TPB's or other miniseries for every on-going series about 52. They'll milk this until the next crisis.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jun 28, 2006, 5:38pm

Sometimes I feel I just want to sit out a whole era of comics. :'(

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jun 28, 2006, 6:45pm

So you can read it all in one go or what?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jun 28, 2006, 10:07pm

So I can skip all the dumb stuff that'll only too soon be retconned or undone.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jun 28, 2006, 10:33pm

Not technically Titans, but since it has to do with Robin, I thought it appropriate.

I swear, this really made me tear up. I am so happy I could just die.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by lostkuki on Jun 28, 2006, 11:11pm

:cries: T_T
Does anyone have a scan of Starfire acting weird because of the alien fruit?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jun 29, 2006, 6:09am

Awwww... I love Alfred's smile.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 29, 2006, 7:19am

Haha. It's kinda funny actually. Batman gets lighter, everyone else gets darker.

Must be some unwritten law in the DCU - The Law of Bat-Entropy!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 29, 2006, 8:32am

How SWEET!!!! :'(

*sniff sniff* Now the *sniff* Only thing I need to know is....*calm now* What the HECK is that Giant Penny?! And if I'm not mistaken, Batman hasn't this light-hearted or, dare I say it, 'campy', since the fourties right?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 29, 2006, 8:55am

Batman is not campy!

The giant penny originated in the Animated Series I believe. In the AS, Harvey Dent/Two-Face gave it to Batman as a gift for fooling him and capturing him. I think that happens in one of the emmy award winning episodes. I don't know how it transferred over to the comics, but it probably is connected to Two Face some how, since flipping a coin is his thing.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 29, 2006, 9:01am

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Batman is not campy!

Well I meant it in a good way. I was just saying that it's been decades since Bruce has been so upbeat.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 29, 2006, 9:48am

Batman is not campy!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 29, 2006, 9:52am

Oh...

That's so sweet! Batman's so adorable!! He's gonna be a daddy!

He and Slade can glare at each other over PTA meetings and set bad examples by fighting at soccar games. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 29, 2006, 10:04am

I still want old Slade back. ;_; I reread the Trial of Deathstrok again, and I REALLY REALLY miss him now.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jun 29, 2006, 8:42pm

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Batman is not campy!

The giant penny originated in the Animated Series I believe. In the AS, Harvey Dent/Two-Face gave it to Batman as a gift for fooling him and capturing him. I think that happens in one of the emmy award winning episodes. I don't know how it transferred over to the comics, but it probably is connected to Two Face some how, since flipping a coin is his thing.

Uh, no, actually it really was in the comics. It was a souvenir taken when Batman defeated the Penny Plunderer way back in the old comics. It's since been retconned and the Two Face story is the one that is now widely accepted as canon.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 29, 2006, 9:26pm

Well I was never much of a Bat-historian, so there you go.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on Jun 29, 2006, 10:37pm

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:cries: T_T
Does anyone have a scan of Starfire acting weird because of the alien fruit?

I looked through scans_daily because I swear I saw them there, but couldn't find them.

But I did find these from 52:
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5238dl.jpg
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5261yw.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=52103gg.jpg

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by childofdarkness on Jun 29, 2006, 11:08pm

Anyone else noticve the "T" on the back of Vox`s head?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 30, 2006, 1:33pm

I'm the resident Bat historian around here. XD

Those Batman scans... So utterly awesome. T_T

And I agree with Pliskin. BATMAN IS NOT CAMPY!

The 52 scans explain a lot of what happened to some of the Space team, but I think there were others unaccounted for in it's description. >_>

Doesn't matter though. Damn. Seem's tp have been quite the comic week eh? XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jun 30, 2006, 7:20pm

Bat-Shark-Repellent is serious business.

I'll be here through Wednesday. Try the veal!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by childofdarkness on Jun 30, 2006, 9:38pm

Well it worked didn`t it?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jun 30, 2006, 10:50pm

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Bat-Shark-Repellent is serious business.

I don't get it. Should I get it? Do I even want to get it?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jun 30, 2006, 10:52pm

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Bat-Shark-Repellent is serious business.

I don't get it. Should I get it? Do I even want to get it?

In the batman movie based off of the old 60s show batman's leg is attacked by a shark (a shark with a bomb in it) and it won't let go.

Luckily, Batman has a can of Bat-Shark-Repellent spray for just this occasion.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 1, 2006, 7:49am

*as Homer Simpson* D'OH! *normal* And the sad thing about that, I saw that! Not the movie, but a screenshot of it in the photo section at www.snopes.com !

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 1, 2006, 9:23am

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Well, I think it counts as a moment.

Awwww....

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Although it's probably been mentioned already that Week 21 is a big Titans issue, since apparently the Titans didn't do anything of note until 21 weeks after the crisis.

Actually, they may have. According to 52 #7, the Great 10 (the new Chinese team) said they recently went up against a team of "young heroes". Nothing firm, but more than a few people have suggested that it was the Titans.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 1, 2006, 9:27am

Re: Starfire acting weird.

Don't jump to conclusions yet, but...

I mentioned this on GJ's forum. Do you guys know how my wife and I finally decided she was pregnant with our first kid years ago? She had a sudden craving for fruit. Lots and lots of fruit. And she was suddenly very tired and just didn't want to do anything but rest and sleep.

Starfire is eating lots and lots of fruit. And doesn't seem to be all that interested in doing much.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 1, 2006, 11:41am

I'm still upset of their willingness to kill Babs/Dick like that, through editorial mandate.

No relationship in the DCU seems safe now.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 1, 2006, 9:21pm

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Re: Starfire acting weird.

Don't jump to conclusions yet, but...

I mentioned this on GJ's forum. Do you guys know how my wife and I finally decided she was pregnant with our first kid years ago? She had a sudden craving for fruit. Lots and lots of fruit. And she was suddenly very tired and just didn't want to do anything but rest and sleep.

Starfire is eating lots and lots of fruit. And doesn't seem to be all that interested in doing much.

Hmm...I guess that pregnency Golden Spirit Raven detected in the late 90's is finally showing up. Man, Tamerainians have a LONG gestation period.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 1, 2006, 9:54pm

I guess Nightstar really is coming to the DCU.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 1, 2006, 10:02pm

Of course, none of us will ever get to live to see her become Nightstar.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 1, 2006, 10:08pm

Oh please, they'll age her somehow I'm sure. Make it so Tamaranians mature faster than people, or some kind of wierd warp thing.

Maybe they'll pull a Cable, and we'll have her return from the future older than her own parents.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 1, 2006, 10:20pm

Hmmm...Like what Greg Weisman wants to do with Brooklyn in his Timedancer spin-off?

A fan project expanding on his ideas.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 1, 2006, 10:27pm

Well now what (i belive it was earth 3 batwoman or something, she looked like flame bird to me) told kori before crisis about her and dick having a wonderful future together.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 1, 2006, 10:29pm

That was before they changed the past, recall?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 1, 2006, 10:49pm

If Nightstar finally becomes part of DC continuity, I will be utterly off my rocker with joy. I am such a Nightstar junkie (I draw a lot of fanart of her ^^)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 1, 2006, 11:58pm

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That was before they changed the past, recall?

So you don�t think that was another example of Jones well established love of foreshadowing?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 2, 2006, 12:01am

I think things in Comicland change very easily.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 2, 2006, 12:05am

Well, one might think so with his track record of foreshadowing, but that storyline was done going on a year ago. To be honest, for all we know DiDio could have just recently decided he doesn't like Dick/Babs and jettisoned it, leaving the space open for Dick/Kory. Plus, if it was something planned that far back, then damn, thats really cruel to Dick/Babs shippers.

Unless someone official looking says something otherwise, I'm considering it a coincidence.

EDIT: What Suki said. ^^;

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 2, 2006, 12:13am

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If Nightstar finally becomes part of DC continuity, I will be utterly off my rocker with joy. I am such a Nightstar junkie (I draw a lot of fanart of her ^^)

I think this would be the main reason for doing it. Nightstar is a very popular character, and finding a way to actually bring M'ari into the DCU has long been an objective for several DC writers.

Circumstantial evidence I'm sure, but I've wondered for a long time about the purpose of having Dick and Kory spend the night together back in Outsiders #28. It just seemed kind of out of no where, especially when at the same time in Nightwing Devin Grayson was making waves about bringing Dick and Babs back together (something which culminated in Dick's proposal). Now we have these words from Dan Didio that have essentially killed any hope (for the foreseeable future, at any rate) of Dick/Babs. And if you really want to be a conspiracy theorist, add the fact that Marv Wolfman will be taking over Nightwing for at least a four issue arc... and its starting to seem like Didio is trying to stack the deck in order to bring Kory & Dick's kid into the DCU. And doing it in 52 would seem to me to be the best time to do the storyline; they could follow the pregnancy as a natural thing without it bogging down several years worth of issues.

Well, if Kory is indeed preggers, I think we're going to find out pretty soon. Like, maybe in the next issue of 52. In DCU time, I'd say its been about three months since Starfire and Nightwing went a-romping, which means she should be starting to show quite soon.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 2, 2006, 12:18am

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Well now what (i belive it was earth 3 batwoman or something, she looked like flame bird to me) told kori before crisis about her and dick having a wonderful future together.

No, that wasn't Earth 3 anyone, that was the future Bette Kane.

But that future can't exist anymore, since it was altered the moment the Titans decided not to disband prior to the Crisis.

The storyline was meant to foreshadow the DCU after the crisis, but there was no gaurantee what you so was coming true, and purposefully so, they wanted to throw you off.

Best example - Bette Kane isn't Batwoman.

Bart becoming the Flash - true.

Helena Kyle existing - true; dead - false (just born).

Superboy going darkside - false.

Dick and Kory - might be true, might be a happy accident. After all, johns was one of the people at the head of the Crisis and the OYL.

That one is hard to tell, but I'll say he knew about it; it seemed obvious that Devin Grayson's run was going to get jettisoned. I think alot of DC editors and writers in general seem to dislike Dick and Babs (like judd Winnick). Some of it might stem from the fact that it was Marv who really made Dick stand on his own, and part of that was shedding the relationship with Batgirl and hooking up with Kory.

The fact that Marv Wolfman is now writing some nightwing is probably a good indication that those two will pick off where he left them.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 2, 2006, 12:20am

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Well, one might think so with his track record of foreshadowing, but that storyline was done going on a year ago. To be honest, for all we know DiDio could have just recently decided he doesn't like Dick/Babs and jettisoned it, leaving the space open for Dick/Kory. Plus, if it was something planned that far back, then damn, thats really cruel to Dick/Babs shippers.

Unless someone official looking says something otherwise, I'm considering it a coincidence.

Or, perhaps they just decided they weren't going to tell Devin Grayson what was planned. I think by that time it was obvious she was not going to be staying on Nightwing, so perhaps they just didn't tell out of fear she'd do something out of spite. Note also that Devin Grayson's contract was up this year, and so far as I know its not been renewed. They may have treated it on a Need To Know basis, and they didn't consider her as Needed To Know.

In any case, I think they have been cruel to the Dick/Babs shippers. At the very least, it should have been referred to by now in one of the titles. There was one vague reference in Nightwing, but that's been it. We still don't even have an inkling as to how they'll explain it away.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 2, 2006, 12:28am

I actually feel bad for Devin, she's been pretty demonized by the whole thing, and Dick Grayson is her favorite DCU character, her intials even match. As an open bisexual, she's had a lot of support from that community, and I know alot of I've them are upset at what they consider to be her mistreatment. I mean she's just been comepltely demonized, seemingly even by her peers.

Very ouch.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 2, 2006, 12:36am

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Dick and Kory - might be true, might be a happy accident. After all, johns was one of the people at the head of the Crisis and the OYL.

I think Geoff Johns and Judd Winick wanted to lay the seeds in the hopes that they could bring Dick and Kory back together, but weren't sure if it would happen. Having Dick and Kory sleep together may have just been their back-up plan, in case Dick/Babs went through; at least that way there would be a plausable way to bring Nightstar into the picture.

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That one is hard to tell, but I'll say he knew about it; it seemed obvious that Devin Grayson's run was going to get jettisoned. I think alot of DC editors and writers in general seem to dislike Dick and Babs (like judd Winnick).

Some apparently do, some apparently don't. Most of the Bat-staff seem to prefer Dick/Babs, but that's probably more to do with the general idea that they want to keep Nightwing more in the Batman camp than anything. Certainly, Chuck Dixon, Gail Simone, and Devin Grayson all preferred Babs for Dick. But with the exception of Simone, they don't seem to be in the ascendent right now; its the Johns camp (Winick, Rucka, Waid, perhaps Morrison) that seem to be holding the keys to the city, with Didio's blessing. So what they want seems to generally be what happens.

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Some of it might stem from the fact that it was Marv who really made Dick stand on his own, and part of that was shedding the relationship with Batgirl and hooking up with Kory.

True, there was a lot of dissatisfaction with the way Wolfman was forced to write out Kory from Dick's life, mostly because the Bat-staff wanted Dick Grayson for their own purposes. But most of the people at that time aren't involved at DC anymore. Dan Jurgens and Phil Jimenez are about the only ones I can think of off hand.

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The fact that Marv Wolfman is now writing some nightwing is probably a good indication that those two will pick off where he left them.

Perhaps. But I should also caution Rob/Star fans that Wolfman has been itching to do a Dick/Donna story for some time. In the 1990s he even had a proposal in for a Dick/Donna mini series, which apparently came close to actually happening (the only reason it didn't get green-lit was because there was a change at the top editorial-wise, and the new senior editor wanted to go off in a different direction). Although from what I gather, the mini series would have just had them have a fling together but end with them breaking up.

Anyway, chances are Wolfman on Nightwing is good news for Dick/Kory fans. But we'll have to see.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 2, 2006, 12:42am

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I actually feel bad for Devin, she's been pretty demonized by the whole thing, and Dick Grayson is her favorite DCU character, her intials even match. As an open bisexual, she's had a lot of support from that community, and I know alot of I've them are upset at what they consider to be her mistreatment. I mean she's just been comepltely demonized, seemingly even by her peers.

Very ouch.

Yeah, I feel sorry for her too. Even more so when you realize she actually did pour alot of herself in Nightwing. And then to see the one thing she did that actually became popular (advancing Dick/Babs much farther than it had even been) become basically thrown away, well, that's gotta leave a bad taste.

Lying In the Gutters had a rumor that she was going to write a Batwoman series. That might actually be a good place for her.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 2, 2006, 12:45am

I was actually wondering if they'd think of putting her on Batwoman becuase of her sexual preference. Good press for them, if nothing else.

It's business, they're lucrative, what do you expect?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 2, 2006, 1:05am

Hm... think if Devin had stayed on Nightwing, he'd have turned out to be gay?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 2, 2006, 1:08am

I don't think just because she has a certain sexual preference she'd venture to do that, but I'd probably have thought it very funny and fitting.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 2, 2006, 1:11am

Well, she might have been more likely to than any other writer. More open. Make him gay, but keep the macho. Not all queer guys like to decorate. FIGHT THE STEREOTYPING!!!

Hey, remember back a while ago when someone mentioned that Dick and one other guy in the DC universe were voted most likely to be gay or something a while ago? Who was the other guy again?

My twisted mind is twisting some more.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 2, 2006, 1:28am

Say, did you know that Roy (aka Speedy aka Arsenal) had a kid with Cheshire?

'Struth.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 2, 2006, 1:30am

Yeah. Lian Harper. He dyes her hair black. She's considered the cutest kid in comics by most. Winnick used her a few times in Outsiders. In Kingdom Come, she was shown as the next Speedy.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 2, 2006, 1:32am

I just think it's funny, considering all the Speedy/Cheshire shippers who only got that from the one episode of TT and have never read any of the comics.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 2, 2006, 1:36am

Yeah, too bad Slade killed her; was hired to take her out along with some others, but I think she was the only one who went down. He also did it because she betrayed the one's she was working with and Deathstroke has no love of traitors. Though this happened after Slade started going toward to the darkside, so it might be considered part of that trend.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by childofdarkness on Jul 2, 2006, 10:34am

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Yeah, but as you said, there`s the possibility that Dick won`t end up with Kory either. He has become a bit of a man tramp, so the writers, whomever they turn out to be in the end, can write him with any number of females. Or males, if they decided to go that way. Even if Nightstar does show up, that may have no effect on the Nightwing/Starfire relationship. We`ll just have to keep up the wait-and-see approach.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 2, 2006, 12:28pm

There's always the possibility, but Marv Wolfman is the guy who wrote Dick as a chivelrous young man. Maybe something will knock Dick on his head or maybe, slowly, he'll stop being a discredit to the male gender through Marv's writing. If their gonna keep him around, they may as well fix him. I don't like the fact he's become a man tramp AT ALL. Plus, somehow I do not see Marv writing a character with several different females and flings.

I also feel quite bad for Devin myself. There's not really much of an excuse to completely demonize her like this.

I've looked that solicit over and how its worded and it came off to me more like it was the ARTIST who was being mentioned as only being on for the four issue arc. Am I out of my mind?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 2, 2006, 1:42pm

I asked Ben Morse, and he clarified that Wolfman & Jurgens have only been asked to do the four-issue arc. However, depending on fan reactions, they may offer it to them as a permanent assignment if reaction is positive enough.

It sounds to me like DC is giving Nightwing one last chance to fix itself as a title, or it's getting canned.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 2, 2006, 2:03pm

I think that is probably a wise decision. Even if the title disappears, Dick will still be around in the Outsiders and the various Bat family titles and a guest shot in the Titans every once in a while.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 2, 2006, 2:10pm

It would be nice to have Dick be limited to just one book with guest appearances now and again. I love Dick, don't get me wrong, but it seems like he's just being stretched so much nowadays that it's really damaging to his character.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 2, 2006, 2:20pm

Well, his character has been being damaged for awhile, but I'm with the rest of you. I'm hoping Marv Wolfman can return Dick to some semblance of his old self, but if that can't be done, I want the book just killed, for the same reasons as the rest of you.

Though if that happens, I can imagine Devin Greyson will be blamed by quite a few for running the title into the ground. How would that make someone feel?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 2, 2006, 2:22pm

I imagine she would feel pretty bad. However, in my opinion, her stories were better than the post-OYL story, as far as Dick's personal story goes.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 2, 2006, 3:25pm

I can see them giving Nightwing a little bit of a rest in so far as his own title is concerned. But I don't think he'd disappear completely. He'd probably be featured more prominently in The Outsiders, and perhaps a more visible supporting role in Teen Titans or Batman.

Hmmm. I just had a thought. Depending upon how they eventually explain what happened between Dick & Babs... what is Dick going to do when he needs intelligence?

Nightwing: Oracle! This is an emergency! I need some infor---
Oracle: *I'm sorry, but I'm away from my desk right now.*
Nightwing: Oracle, please! This is important!
Oracle: *But if you leave your code-name and number, I'll get back to you as soon as I can.*
Nightwing: Oracle!!!
Oracle: *Unless your code-name happens to be Nightwing, in which case, your wait may be a very, very long time.*
Nightwing: Barbara!!! Please!!!
Oracle: *BEEEEEEEP!!!*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 2, 2006, 3:49pm

Best. Revenge. Ever.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 3, 2006, 6:18pm

Submitted for your approval...

Everyone's second favorite couple...

Mallah...

And The Brain...

In his new body!

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 3, 2006, 6:22pm

Not a bad body.

Though it somehow makes the whole Brain/Mallah thing a bit creepier.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 3, 2006, 6:54pm

*gags* Seriously... it just makes it all the more creepy because now it's..... *shudders*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 3, 2006, 6:58pm

'Cause now they can actually ~~get freaky~~ consumate their love.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 3, 2006, 6:59pm

I decided to put this up. It's from the cover of issue #36, the issue I just got those Brain scans from.

It's the Teen Titans insignia for the comics. This issue it happens to be what we would call Raveast colors. I wouldn't look into that much - the new costume made Beastboy's colors green and purple now, and Raven's color ofr the comics would be blue more than purple.

Still, enjoy it if you will.

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 3, 2006, 7:01pm

Hey, they watch the show. ^_~

Jeez, I still can't get over... I mean, even in the shonen-ai old-school confession scene... well, it's kinda hard to bang a brain, even if he IS in a big metal body. But this... Whose body did that used to be, anyway?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 3, 2006, 7:03pm

That's his body. they cloned the Brain's original body and then just plopped in his brain. So that's how the Brain looked like before his body got destroyed. Might have had hair, dunno about that, but the close is fresh out of the vat, so he'll be bald for a while.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 3, 2006, 7:05pm

Oh... eeeew! Icky! I have to draw Roy/Dick art now just to get over the ickiness.

Can't we put him back in the jar?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 3, 2006, 7:44pm

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Can't we put him back in the jar?

K9: Not to worry SN, this is one of those things that won't last long. He'll be back in the jar in no time! Who know, maybe Brain'll dump Mallah now that he's got what he wants.

Or, we could finally find out Brain's origins!

Pard: ..........I still can't get over the fact that he was a Butt for a Forehead.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 3, 2006, 7:45pm

...Brain can't dump Mallah. They love each other. It may be creepy and a little sick, but it's love.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 3, 2006, 9:02pm

What isn't known about the Brain's origins? or do you mean Mallah?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 3, 2006, 10:08pm

Well his name for one thing. And what drove him to screw with a Gorilla's mind.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 3, 2006, 10:33pm

Well his name has never been of consequence thus far, so maybe that will matter. Or not. as far as anyone knowns, he has always used the nickname The Brain, even when he had a body.

Mallah you'd need to have read the original Doom Patrol to know about; Originally, The Brain was going to be placed into Mallah's body, as he wanted a stronger body (at this time, The Brain had a body). He had to raise the IQ of the gorilla to make sure the body would accept his brain.

However, over time, he saw that the gorilla's loyalty and abilities were too much of an asset to lose. He decided to keep him around, and named him Mallah. He made him into his right hand man, and was from the beginning the only one he would trust.

When The Brain died (I beleive it was actually of natural causes) he had left instructions for Mallah to preserve his brain, which he did, and thus as born The Brain we all know and love.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 3, 2006, 10:36pm

ADDENDUM: Ever see the old short, Evil Con Carne, that used to be part of "The Grim adventures of Billy and Mandy" (back when the show called "Grim and Evil")? Basic idea for the cahracter was derived from Brain and Mallah.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 3, 2006, 11:01pm

I thought that storyline sounded familiar...

Only the "Mallah" prototype is a moronic bear.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 4, 2006, 8:25am

Yeah, I used to watch that. Of course, that brain also preserved his stomuch. And now that you mention it, I think I remember the body switching thing, but I just assumed that the Brain had already lost his body in some sort of evil experiment gone wrong and was already just a pickled brain when he was introduced.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 4, 2006, 8:55am

When he was introduced he was, I'm sure, but I think they went back later in a flashback and covered the whole thing.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 1:46pm

SPOILERS for TT #37, which unfortunately WILL NOT be available in the US until tomorrow. Posted by DLM on GJ's forum:

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- Mallah holds a dying Brain in his arms as they watch the sun set
- Half-naked Ravager
- New Azarath?
- Cassie and Tim...oh-ho-ho! Cassie and Tim indeed!
- Awww, Eddie

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 1:47pm

Owo

....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

:'(

TwT

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 1:53pm

Gotta go. I will be back and posting scans around 11:30am CDT tomorrow.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 2:15pm

Oh, who cares anymore? My second (third? Maybe fourth) favorite ship is over!

In a tragically romantic way, but still...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 5, 2006, 2:20pm

I'm not crying any tears. It was just damn creepy. >_>

Somehow, Cassie/Tim leaves me less then surprised. A part of me figured on that happening.

And a new Azarath? What will this mean? Maybe this ties into why Raven left Beast Boy. >_<

Tomorrow can't come soon enough. T_T

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 5, 2006, 2:22pm

That'll make the next few issues of Outsiders -- which I think takes place before this TT arc -- a little weird.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 2:25pm

Ravager naked again? I hope this is something improtant, it's not normal for Johns to have a character act that way for no good reason.

I guess the mini might focus on the new Azarath story.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 2:26pm

Why would Raven want to become a new Azar? Azar was a total self-serving manipulative mentally and emotionally abusive bitch.

With all due respect to the fallen goddess or whatever she was.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 2:29pm

Assuming she is the new Azar. It's possible Azarath returns following the Crisis, and t6hey might still be ffected by Trigon's essence. Could be anything like that.

So nothing on the BB/R front? T-T

The waiting sucks.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 5, 2006, 2:38pm

The spoilers contain no context, so it's hard to tell.

New Azarath was also the name of Arella's ranch, before it got trashed by the Wildebeests.

Or it could be a new cult of Azar that nabbed her. Not really sure.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 2:43pm

I still think it sucks that Junior didn't bring Arella back somehow before he died. He totally could have! And she was Raven's real mother! With his Oedipus complex, you'd think he's want the REAL mother of his "sister", wouldn't you?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 5, 2006, 2:45pm

You would think!

And then she could get together with Slade and cure him of his psychosis.

(*sigh*)

Who knows, maybe her mother did slip out of that before it closed -- we just don't know it yet. That would be a good way to work it in. Who else may have slipped out that door?

EDIT: Actually, it's good that Junior didn't do it. Then she'd be Zombie Arella.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 2:48pm

But she's still all mixed up with the souls of Azarath and Danny. If they did the pool o' blood thing, Junior could have found a way to disconnect her from the group, whcih would probably SERIOUSLY strain her soul, which would result in a long-term confusion where she doesn't really know what's going on or where she is, but probably knows she wants to find her daughter, which Junior says he's going to do.

DAMMIT! They really missed a great storyline there. ><

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 5, 2006, 2:50pm

They tend to miss a lot of good opportunities. In that last Blood arc, Junior really didn't seem to be all that interested in Raven. He just wanted to tear up L.A. after he took some of her blood. The story glossed over the really dramatic stuff that they could have done.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 3:36pm

It all depends on the author and the story he/she wants to tell. There are aloto f people out there who always saw Arella as a terrible mother who never really stood up for her daughter and gave up too quickly on her as a child. It wasn't until she died the first time that she regretted everything and sought to make things better, but for alot of people it was too late to redeem herself enough to warrant a return.

As it stands. prior to IC, Johns was so swamped with tie-ins and crossovers that we got almost no supporting characters to begin with. Bringing Arella back wouldn't have gotten the page time Johns would have wanted it to if he had brought her back right away, I suspect.

That, or he's just one of those people who didn't like Arella.

Could also be that, if BB/R does survive, Rita Farr will become like a mother to her through her relationship with Gar; that was one of the theories pre-53, anyhow.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 5, 2006, 3:39pm

It would be great to have some supporting characters again. They have added some now -- Marvin and Wendy. Maybe we'll get some more as time goes by.

I miss Cyborg's grandparents. They were cool.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jul 5, 2006, 3:41pm

I suppose I should wait for the issue to come out before all the doom mongering everyone's grown to hate me for.

But it's not looking good if Johns is now going to have Tim/Cassie intrigue. Especially if BB isn't there, and what "New Azerath" means.

And Rose is naked again? I should wait for context but... I still just shake my head and sigh. I doubt this love triangle will do her character any good either.

Actually, I should stop digging a hole for myself predicting the worse. I'm probably already a persona non grata over at ComicBloc for doing too much of that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jul 5, 2006, 3:43pm

(Yup, I'm posting here, because Micha/Suki made me feel guilty about not doing so.)

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Ravager naked again? I hope this is something improtant

I'll let you reflect on what you wrote there.

Over at good ol' scans_daily, people are having mixed feelings about Ravager's antics. Some think it's overdone and some think it's badass. I'm a little mixture of both.

And I'm actually pretty happy about the Cassie/Tim hints there, because that leaves my new favorite ship open- Ravager/Kid Devil. Speaking of which- see Tony's blog? I swear he likes drawing those two together. ^^

...yeah, I got nothing to contribute here. x.x

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 3:44pm

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(Yup, I'm posting here, because Micha/Suki made me feel guilty about not doing so.)

I'm good at that. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 5, 2006, 3:45pm

Well, unifilar, I like the idea of Eddie and Rose as well. Although I did find her antics with Tim earlier quite funny. It is for sure that she cares about what happens to Eddie. And he's a cute little guy.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 3:48pm

I dunno. I like Eddie right now, and I like How he might mesh with Rose, but Rose has gotta learn to keep her clothes on. I'd never trust her with secret plans to anything, God forbid she puts them in her pants pockets, which might end up on God-klnows-whose bed.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jul 5, 2006, 4:02pm

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I'd never trust her with secret plans to anything, God forbid she puts them in her pants pockets, which might end up on God-klnows-whose bed.

I'm sure Tim learned that the hard way. XD

She's definitely not the most devoted member, what with getting drunk all the time and risking her health with smoking (are they going to have to start doing those Teen Titans anti-drug ads again? XD). And Kid Devil just kinda seems like he wants to fit in and be a team player. I think he could help Rose get her priorities straight.

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Although I did find her antics with Tim earlier quite funny.

XDD Me too. And Kid Devil's reaction when he walked in on them was hilarious. "Hot damn."

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 5:03pm

Geoff Johns has given us a sneak peak to the cover for TT #40.

All I can say is... whoa!

[image]

So... Miss Martian, with a bunch of traitors behind her. Foreshadowing?

OH, and notice that New Earth Terra doesn't have the bowl cut hairstyle anymore. Again, more like her animated self.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 5:06pm

... Why does Raven have 4 eyes?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 5:07pm

*Eye twitch.*

Okay... don't panic...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 5, 2006, 5:11pm

Im sure its more of a sign that the female martian is a bad guy/traitor. No one overreact like you all seem to. I mean cmon we see Kon-El there and hes as dead as a coffin nail.

EDIT: Where is that pic from, link please?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 5:11pm

But she has 4 eyes. Like in the show when-- *gagged*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 5:11pm

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... Why does Raven have 4 eyes?

That's the Trigon Raven from "Terror of Trigon".

The four traitors standing behind Miss Martian are all in the guises in which they "betrayed" the Titans. Three of them (Superboy, Raven, and Jericho) were under the influence of other powers at the time; I hope they aren't going to say Terra was as well.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 5:13pm

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EDIT: Where is that pic from, link please?

Just posted on GJ's forum:

http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30170

Its the first time he's posted in the Titans forum in months!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 5, 2006, 5:14pm

Well if everyone starts throwing around worry and the usual fortelligns of doom it gets us nowhere in the end.

Id like to hear more from the source before people start widly speaculating without any thing to back it up. And no im not pointing fingers at anyone.

EDIT: Thanks DT

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 5:19pm

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Well if everyone starts throwing around worry and the usual fortelligns of doom it gets us nowhere in the end.

Id like to hear more from the source before people start widly speaculating without any thing to back it up. And no im not pointing fingers at anyone.

EDIT: Thanks DT

The cover is definetely legit, but I think we should all be cautious about reading too much into anything that appears on a cover. Best bet is that this is trying to communicate the idea that Miss Martian might be more of a gray character than usual. She may be setting to be the betrayer of the Titans, but if they're revealing that this early on then you can bet there will be plot twists with that potential betrayal as well. Remember, we didn't learn Terra was a plant until several issues after she was introduced.

Hmmmm.... You know, this probably also means the upcoming the release of the Terra Incognita TPB may not be happenstance after all.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 5:20pm

You are SO pointing fingers, and for that I'm adding you to the list!

Bum bum bum!

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But she has 4 eyes. Like in the show when-- *gagged*

She had four eyes when she went evil Raven in the original "Terror of Trigon" arc. I don't think evil vampire goth biker lesbian raven had them, though I do think before she gets killed, they do appear.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 5, 2006, 5:22pm

Ill take that as a joke MK cause Im pretty that was your intent.

But my question, is the Miss Martian Manhunter a new character or an existing one? And does she have any conection to J'onn?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 5, 2006, 5:24pm

Another thing I noticed is that everyone on that cover has died at least once in some form or another. I doubt it really means anything, but it was something that struck me instantly.

I am really getting sick of animated series infringement, no matter how small. Can we just stick to what's been done in the COMICS please? Jesus. What's next? Wally West is deaged and thrown on the Titans again? (Sorry, please excuse my pure sarcasm). If they try and say Terra was DT, I'm gonna be pissed. It will just be way too much.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 5, 2006, 5:27pm

Whats DT mean DL?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 5:31pm

I never joke!

i'm more upset that the further we get with these covers, the more it seems likely Beastboy won't be returning to the Titans, nor Raven. Looks like Cyborg will stay on. Starfire... still too early to tell. She might not pop up anywhere until 52 concludes.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 5, 2006, 5:33pm

I should have been more clear. I apologize. In that sentance I was referring to the possibility of them trying to say the original Terra was under an evil influence or something. DT is the nickname I use for DeTroyes.

I don't see anything that furthurs the belief that we may not see any more Gar/Rae in this cover Pliskin. Plus I doubt they would come right out and tell us. I'm sure Geoff knows he has us all in suspence.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 5:34pm

Well, to be fair, Terra's W/P hair cut was pretty bad by today's standards. About as inappropriate as a mullet. Since Judas Contract is suppose to be taking place about 4-5 years ago, and thus is in "recent" history, I can see them changing it in some way. But they could have just given her a short haircut instead of the shoulder length hair they are giving her now.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 5, 2006, 5:34pm

Not to be mean but I think most everyone puts way to much into covers. Ive read plenty of stories where the cover had nothing to do with the story or was purposefully misleading.

EDIT: Wow with so many people posting in one topic by the time a post gets though its context is gone, I should quote more often.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 5:36pm

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i'm more upset that the further we get with these covers, the more it seems likely Beastboy won't be returning to the Titans, nor Raven.

I'm thinking that scene from TT #31, with Kid Eternity telling the Titans to enjoy being Titans while they can, was meant to be very prophetic. It may just be that Cassie is the only one of that group who comes back.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 5:39pm

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Not to be mean but I think most everyone puts way to much into covers. Ive read plenty of stories where the cover had nothing to do with the story or was purposefully misleading.

Exactly. Covers are meant to wet reader's appettites. They don't always deliver on what the cover implies (and actually, quite frequently, don't).

Look how many times Cyborg was on the cover of an issue, and didn't appear anywhere else.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 5, 2006, 5:40pm

That's the one thing I dread most DT, and after all that foreshadowing it would be a kick in the nuts if he planned to do this, getting our hopes up and then dropping us like a bag of garbage.

Most of the Titanss gone are my favorites anyways. I'm getting real tired of this. There's only so much silence someone can take and the delays are like salt rubbed in the wounds.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 5:53pm

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That's the one thing I dread most DT, and after all that foreshadowing it would be a kick in the nuts if he planned to do this, getting our hopes up and then dropping us like a bag of garbage.

Most of the Titanss gone are my favorites anyways. I'm getting real tired of this. There's only so much silence someone can take and the delays are like salt rubbed in the wounds.

But the thing is, if Raven and Gar are off the Titans, then chances are they're going to wind up somewhere else (just where yet we don't know). Titans East is a possibility, but I suppose so could Doom Patrol or Infinity Inc. Raven, especially, is way too popular to not wind up someplace.

Keeping optimistic here. Unless Dan Didio comes out and says the same thing about Gar/Rae that he said about Dick/Babs, I think we've still got a good chance.

EDIT: Watch. Tony Daniel will have the pencil for that cover up by nightfall.

EDIT II: Wow, that was fast. Daniel just posted the pencil.
http://www.tonydaniel.blogspot.com/

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 5:55pm

I really think DC is just trying to cash in on the AS by splitting up the five major Titans up in order to have at least five books that will appeal to the audiences. Perhaps more, since Robin has his own book (it's a Robin, even though it's not Grayson), Grayson has his own book, Cyborg has the Titans, Beastboy will haev the Doom Patrol, Raven will probably go solo or something, and I don't know where Starifre might end up.

It's sad because it came at such a bad time for us, I finally had Gar AND Raven relationship I enjoyed (I never put the two of them together until Johns started it). Didn't think those two would ever find anybody, then they found each other... now profit seeking could tear them up before they ever get started.

'Tis disheartening. But I'm gonna be making my presence known! Soon as get some scans.

If the book contuinues in the current direction, Vic and Eddie are the ones who would remain that I really care about. Vic, however, doesn't get as much spotlight as he should (even now, when this arc should really focus on him trying to learn what happens, we get more of the others).

But in a team book, liking one character isn't enough to really warrant buying, unless it's a character I really love, like Gar.

I'll probably drop Titans eventually if it contuinues in the current direction. I'll jump on the DP train to try and help make sure Gar stays in the public eye. But if they go in a bad direction with him, I'll just let go.

Same goes for Raven. I'll pick it up, but if she starts becoming bitchy sarcastic Raven from the AS, that's as good as dead for me. I don't like the direction, I don't buy, simple as that.

Man, now that I've dropped JSA (it's ending, and I'm wary about it's future) and my other books... all I have left that I pick up is Teen Titans and Fear Agent. Ouch. Assuming no DP and no Raven, I'm down to one book!

;_;

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 5, 2006, 5:56pm

I suppose so DT, but would it really work as well without Geoff? I mean, it's pretty much a given at this point that he really can't handle any more books.

I'm afraid I'm about burnt out of optimism. Not because of this cover or anything, I just mean in general. We've already seen what happens when other people get their hands on the characters, especially after the animated series premiered.

The animated series. The bane of my existance. @_@

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 5, 2006, 5:57pm

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In a way I think what he said about their pairing was a blessing for us. If hes that outspoken about things he dosnt like and hasnt mentioned Raven or Gar then that bodes well for us.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 5, 2006, 6:12pm

I agree. Dan Didio is just so outspoken about stuff like this, and the sheer fact that he hasn't come out and openly bashed the pairing means that we might still have a chance.

I'm not willing to give up yet. There's only been 2 issues (not counting tomorrow's) that have come out since OYL. Things will turn around, I know they will, but we've just got to give it time.

LOVE the Miss Martian cover. Her costume reminds me a bit of JLU Supergirl's first costume crossed with Martian Manhunter's costume. Honestly I was expecting something less like Martain Manhunter's costume and more original, but it still looks good.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 6:13pm

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In a way I think what he said about their pairing was a blessing for us. If hes that outspoken about things he dosnt like and hasnt mentioned Raven or Gar then that bodes well for us.

Add in also the fact that it had to have passed muster with the editors at DC in the first place (otherwise, it would never have been done), and you get the idea that perhaps there are people out there in positions of authority who do like us.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 6:14pm

Again, at this point I'm more annoyed at the prospect of not seeing Gar or Rae in any form for a long time. They, with Vic, have always been my favs.

And of course, no Gar, no Matt. ;_;

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 6:15pm

Gotta go for the evening, guys. But I'll be back tomorrow... hopefully with good news and scans to match.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 5, 2006, 6:17pm

Curse my inability to go out and get the comic tomorrow!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 6:19pm

You know, if the money-eaters are trying to gather more show people, they'd probably have a better chance by getting Dick and Kori together again and KEEPING Gar and Raven together. Most people who watch the show and are active fans ship some couple, and the largest shipper group is R/S. The second largest would be either R/R, T/B, or R/B. Since Grayson would be otherwise occupied, and Raven/Gar was cannon for a bit, keeping those two pairings alive and well would probably draw in more readers than splitting the team up would.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 6:19pm

Can anyone get me scans of Bart being angsty from the first issue of Flash? I just need one page worth for something. I'd aprreciate any help.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 5, 2006, 6:21pm

Bye DT.

The flip side of what DT said is that Dick/Babs would have had to do go through the same thing or to pass mustard. There's no guarantee Dan DiDio doesn't like the Gar/Rae pairing or won't decide so down the road. Plus, we may only have had three actual issues so far, but news has been bad outside of it all around.

Thats why I don't have much optimism left.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 6:22pm

I won't say all bad. In the recent issue, Gar was acting rather responsibly and even demonstrating some capability. If nothing else, at least Gaar hasn't reverted to thining poo jokes are funny and pulling pranks.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 6:23pm

By the way, DT, wrong thread again.

This is the dump thread for old scans, not the info thread. I just realized it myself.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 7:01pm

Angsty Bart:

ARGH! Forgot about that! Gomenasai!

I will have a scan up later this evening. I promise. I just need to get these documents sorted.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 7:05pm

No problem. I just like dramatic entrances, so I think I can use it when I make my first return post over at Comicbloc.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unifilar on Jul 5, 2006, 9:51pm

Right. As soon as I leave, whip out the big covers. That's fair. XDD

God. I've been around you guys WAY too long (and yet, I just got back from a half-hiatus). You know what I thought IMMEDIATELY when I saw the green skin and blue cape? "BB/Rae spawn!" The fact that I glimpsed Raven in the backround didn't help.

What happened to that 'Search for Raven' issue? That come out yet?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 9:53pm

No, delays have been rampant for this book ever since the Leifield arc. New issue comes out tomorrow. From the sound of the "New Azarath" deal, though ,you can expect the next issue to probably lead into or begin the search for Raven arc.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jul 5, 2006, 10:03pm

[Professor Farnsworth]: Good news everyone!

Spoilers for #37 fresh from ComicBloc by DLM:

"Also, I guess I should throw this in for the Gar/Raven shippers (myself included):

Raven explains to Cyborg (on film from the security camera, while he's still a vegetable) that she left/is leaving the team because she senses something strange about the newbies on the team. Although the rest of the team thinks she's leaving because Gar has become kind like Nightwing (see: emo) lately because he's so stressed. So there you go, the didn't really break-up! Yay!"

Well, one less thing to worry about, I guess...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 5, 2006, 10:04pm

SIGH OF RELIEF EVERYONE!

A ray of hope has broken through the clouds! Yippe dee!

Aw, DT no hear to read it. ;_;

Come back on DT!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 10:06pm

KAI! So she still loves him! 8-)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 5, 2006, 10:07pm

*dances* YAY!!!!!!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 10:08pm

Waidaminute... Gar's not emo! ><

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jul 5, 2006, 10:11pm

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Waidaminute... Gar's not emo! ><

That's what makes it a lie.

WooT!
I'm picking it up tomorrow asap.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 10:11pm

Eh, I guess presumed emo is better than presumed clown.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 5, 2006, 10:16pm

Oh Lordy, I got such a thrill reading that. She still loves him. I just know it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 10:16pm

I got a kick out of SAYING that! 8-)

So much, I'm going to say it again with more specifics.

RAVEN STILL LOVES GARFIELD!!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jul 5, 2006, 10:34pm

Apparently it seems all I have to do is think negatively, and the opposite happens?

Yay! I'm going to be wrong about Red Star and Pantha's death!

Oh drat, I just wasted the good will I just got for bringing the news. :'(

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 5, 2006, 10:36pm

So be pessmistic. You're an expert at that. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by jlg on Jul 5, 2006, 10:40pm

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So be pessmistic. You're an expert at that. ^^

I'll be so pessimistic I'm sure I won't be pessimistic enough!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 5, 2006, 10:40pm

Those of us who never lost any of our hope are vindicated. WOOT!

This is great news, but now I wonder how the Raven mini fits into all of this now. And with all that being said if Gar is still on the DP then it would make sence that she would follow him there. New lines of though and questions abound.

But most impotantly, YOO HOO!!!! WIPEE!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 5, 2006, 11:09pm

I wonder how this "secret" Raven discovers ties into her feelings about the new team members (and I wonder which members she was talking about. I have a feeling it might be someone other than Ravager or Kid Devil)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 11:40pm

Just read the spoiler. WHEW!!!

But I'm trying desperately not to read any more spoilers.

OK, guys. I will have images up as fast as I can get them tomorrow.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 11:52pm

OK, per ~~Pliskin~~ M.K. Logan's request. Here are two images of depressed, angsty, now 20-year-old Bart from Flash #1:

[image]

Just to let you guys all know, I'm pretty sure the girl in the second image is going to end up being Bart's love interest in this series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 5, 2006, 11:56pm

Pardon me for a moment.

<_<

>_>

Ok, the coast is clear.

YES!!! WE STILL HAVE HOPE!!!

:::pumping fist:::

OK, now back to our irregularly scheduled shipping forum.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 1:10am

Speaking of that spoiler, why didn't Gar just go with her when she left? He left the Titans, anyway.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 5:39am

It's possible that whatever they had 'planned' didn't come off the way they expected. OR his eventual leaving was part of the plan. They didn't want someone to know they were on to them. Both of them leaving would have been suspicious.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 6:15am

Maybe she didn't want to put him in danger; we just found out about New Azarath, her reasons for not letting him come with her could be connected to that.

And he might've been willing to keep on with the Titans, but after she left he lost his only real support (from the sounds of it, the younger Titans weren't too repectful toward him), and maybe he just gave up after she left.

Let us not forget the possible inteference from The Chief.

I'm still hoping they planned something.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 6:15am

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OK, per ~~Pliskin~~ M.K. Logan's request. Here are two images of depressed, angsty, now 20-year-old Bart from Flash #1:

[image]

Just to let you guys all know, I'm pretty sure the girl in the second image is going to end up being Bart's love interest in this series.

Wow that is sad. ;_;

But thank you, I got what I need now!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 7:04am

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Those of us who never lost any of our hope are vindicated. WOOT!

This is great news, but now I wonder how the Raven mini fits into all of this now. And with all that being said if Gar is still on the DP then it would make sence that she would follow him there. New lines of though and questions abound.

But most impotantly, YOO HOO!!!! WIPEE!

Alot of people think that the miniseries is going to take place during the OYL before Cyborg gets reactivated. It might pick up with her just leaving the team and follow what happens between then and the upcoming issues.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 7:25am

(*fidgets*) OK, 4:45 can't get here fast enough.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 7:40am

I may have found a shop near my work office. I only get thirty minutes for lunch, if I can find a way to make it there and pick up pizza, I could at least read the issue at work.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 8:07am

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[Professor Farnsworth]: Good news everyone!

Spoilers for #37 fresh from ComicBloc by DLM:

"Also, I guess I should throw this in for the Gar/Raven shippers (myself included):

Raven explains to Cyborg (on film from the security camera, while he's still a vegetable) that she left/is leaving the team because she senses something strange about the newbies on the team. Although the rest of the team thinks she's leaving because Gar has become kind like Nightwing (see: emo) lately because he's so stressed. So there you go, the didn't really break-up! Yay!"

Well, one less thing to worry about, I guess...

SN? Could you unlock the Trolls thread that came out with the OYL TT issue and post this there? *puppy eyes* Puh-wease?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 9:33am

No. That'd be pointless. We all know what's going on now, and if that troll is still lurking, he'd know, too. No need to revive a deliberatly killed thread to mock someone who isn't even a member anymore.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jul 6, 2006, 10:32am

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OH THANK GOD!

Yes, I'm a little late in seeing this, but atleast I saw it (blame GW, it kiddnapped me! @_@).

So... when is #37 coming out? Today, we hope?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 10:59am

Should be. At 4:45 KT time.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 11:04am

That's just when KT gets off of work. I think Greg is at lunch, so he may be getting it (and a pizza) as we speak.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jul 6, 2006, 11:07am

And DT...

They're off! DT with ahead start, followed by Plicky, with KT following up the rear...

It the race to the finish! First one back with scans/info/news is the winner! @___@

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 11:08am

I don't get off until 4:45. Then I go by the shop... I can't get back to the forum after I leave work until at least 6 pm. I think DT said he would have scans fairly early today.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 6, 2006, 11:33am

*weeps* If I were at school, I would have had it by now. Garunteed, next year I will be out and back by 10:30.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jul 6, 2006, 11:43am

If I didn't have work today, I would have gone out to the comic shop across the street, brought it back, hooked up the scanner, and scan the important parts for you guys. But, like KTH, I can't get out of work til 5:00. T_T

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 11:53am

I weep with you, my sister.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 11:56am

Some raw images:

[image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:00pm

Brain made a funny. ^^

YAY! Gar has his dad back!

Boo, Gar's going to be the jester again!

And his hair looks bad, too. ><

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 12:00pm

[image]

OMG. Raven looks... hot.

And I don't think she told Gar why she was leaving, either.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 12:01pm

A dig at Nightwing too. Ouch.

I'm sad that BB is staying with the DP. ;_;

At least Mento is back.

This whole issue is scan worthy.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:01pm

Her chakra isnt in the exact center of her face. Or even close.

Eh, guess she prefers the Jester. Well, whatever Raven likes. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 12:02pm

YAY! Steve's normal!! .....Well, sorta. Ah, BB's not comein'. But I think he will, sooner or later.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:03pm

Hmmmm...

But Gar told him to check out the security tapes. I wonder if Gar has seen that particular one?

AND SHE CALLED HIM GAR!!!! Not Garfield. I think that means something.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 6, 2006, 12:04pm

There's HOPE!!! Finally there's HOPE!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:04pm

Maybe Raven WILL end up joining the Doom Patrol.

Wait... Steve's the leader now... Gee I hope that's not a bad sign.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:05pm

Can I see more of the Raven page, please? Or is that the only panel?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 6, 2006, 12:06pm

I keep flashing back to that spread at the end of IC7 where we see all of the DC characters in their OYL costumes. Raven is featured with Gar and the rest of the DP. I'm thinking that she may as well end up on the DP.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:06pm

Say what? Where was this?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 12:06pm

Last page. Timmy's Got A Girlfriend...

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:07pm

It sounds like this packed FULL of story. I can't wait to read it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 12:07pm

THat's all there is of Raven.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 12:08pm

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Say what? Where was this?

Last page of IC7 shows all the heroes on one page; they're all grouped near each otehr according to the team they are a part of. Raven is seen right next to garfield and the Doom Patrol.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:09pm

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Last page. Timmy's Got A Girlfriend...

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Okay.. why are they crying?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:09pm

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Say what? Where was this?

Last page of IC7 shows all the heroes on one page; they're all grouped near each otehr according to the team they are a part of. Raven is seen right next to garfield and the Doom Patrol.

Hm... that sounds like a good sign. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 12:10pm

Hey DT? We all know SansGills is gonna ask this: Was Red Star in one of those Tapes?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 6, 2006, 12:10pm

W.T.F. Cass and Tim kissing makes me... upset.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 12:11pm

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Can I see more of the Raven page, please? Or is that the only panel?

Sadly, that's the only panel she appears in. Here's the rest of that sequence, though. Zatanna's words MAY be significant, but who knows.

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Nope, no Red Star. But note that Zatanna is on the cover of TT #39, and Miss Martian is on the cover of TT #40.

And I found it rather interesting that Ravager has actually been with the Titans for some time. I thought she only came on when Robin took over.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:13pm

glad to see Cassie finally realized the cult was a sham.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:14pm

Huh, I wonder who that magician likes.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 12:17pm

Cassie maybe? Let's be honest. With Conner gone, she was available.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 12:18pm

Cassie and Tim are crying because they were just ifhgting over cloning Connor, and remembering him; then of course she sees Conor's shirt and flies away upset.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:18pm

Really, it could be anyone. Clues from issues where he's around some member of the team and messes up would be a help, if there are any.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 12:18pm

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Huh, I wonder who that magician likes.

Based on the placement of the sequence, I'd say its probably either Raven or Miss Martian, with my guess being Miss Martian.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:19pm

It could be either one. I'm learning towards Raven, though, since Tony D. mentioned Zatarra pulling Raven out of his hat.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:19pm

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Huh, I wonder who that magician likes.

Actually, based on the placement, of the sequence, its probably either Raven or Miss Martian, with my guess being Miss Martian.

That's her name? Kinda uninspired...

That would be cute, especially since she's so unsure and... actually, a lot like TV Starfire.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 12:20pm

Considering how Johns works, probably Miss martian, or Raven. Other possiblities may include anyone else we saw; Awuagirl, Hawk, Dove, and Speedy.

Could it be that Miss Martian betrays Titans East? What if she joins the regular Titans?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 12:22pm

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W.T.F. Cass and Tim kissing makes me... upset.

They seem to have been reluctant leading up to the kiss, and afterwards they both go running away from each other without saying a word. But you know, now I'm more confident than ever that Conner will be coming back... you know that triangle is going to end up being the true test of their friendship.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 12:22pm

*sighs* With every question solved, more arise.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:23pm

Of course! Otherwise it wouldn't be an ongoing series.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 6, 2006, 12:24pm

Miss Martian kinda reminds me of AS Starfire for some reason...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 12:24pm

Probably.

I thought so for one reason really - connor hardly had a fight with Superboy Prime. They were set up as the big adversaries... and then Connor dies withut taking out Prime, and it wasn't so much of a fight as it could have been.

Also, you're right, you know it's going to happen. Watch him come back angst free too! And then he can smack bart out of his lull.

... And Bart can sneak him into bars.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 12:25pm

eah she remninded of animated Starfire as well. Watch her take that place on the Titans.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jul 6, 2006, 12:26pm

Aww... she likes Gar just the way he is. She doesn't want a Dick clone (sorry R/R fans) :-*

YOU GO MENTO! You tell that Chief his place! (I never thought I'll say that. XD)

I am sad to see Gar go, but I can see his reason for staying. I've always saw Gar as the light of the team, of any team. Not the jester, but someone there to be the optimistic. Maybe one day he will return. ^^

Yes Cy, you ARE THE ROCK, the ANCHER of the team. YOU RAWK! ^_^ /,,/

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Last page. Timmy's Got A Girlfriend...

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That... was a bit of a surprise to me, but then I should have saw this one coming. The old best friend-finds-love-with-dead-best friend's-girlfriend and visa versa plot. I can see Cassie going to Tim after Conner died (sorry again R/R fans).

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 12:27pm

Love that picture of Raven. If anyone wants it, here's an avatar based on it:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 6, 2006, 12:27pm

Nooooooo!!!! I always saw Cass and Tim as sortof brother and sister. That kiss just gives me a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 12:31pm

OK. Pardon me, but I've got a BB/RCBW to prepare.

:::happy, happy, joy, joy:::

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:32pm

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Miss Martian kinda reminds me of AS Starfire for some reason...

DUDE! I said that first. XP

Boy, this is going to be a fun run for the next year or so. SO much wacky tacky stuff going on!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:34pm

I can't wait to read this! Gah! 3 more hours!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 6, 2006, 12:34pm

Suddenly things are looking up ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:36pm

Now Cyborg has to go find Raven and bring her back home!

Vic does rock! I'm glad he's back.

And I'm glad people went to visit him and didn't just let him gather dust in the corner.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by nagaina on Jul 6, 2006, 12:38pm

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I was just thinking of the same thing. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 12:38pm

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W.T.F. Cass and Tim kissing makes me... upset.

OOH! I just thought of a cool scene should/when Conner comes back!

The Titans see the Reborn Conner, Cassie runs into his arms, and he says to Robin something to the power of: 'Hey man, thanks for takin' care of Cass for me'.

:-*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:42pm

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eah she remninded of animated Starfire as well. Watch her take that place on the Titans.

That'd be MUUUUUUUUUUUUCH better than ruining Starfire's character.

Maybe that's what they're doing, taking the new Titans, or less popular ones, and changing THEM or molding them to be the personality equivalents of the animated Titans. Someone else will be the clown, someone else will be the hearts and sparkles, someone else will be the angsty Goth, and meanwhile, Nightwing can hopefully get reformed to his previously likeable self, and Vic can just stay the way he his, cause he's already so cuddly. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 12:44pm

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OOH! I just thought of a cool scene should/when Conner comes back!

The aTitans see the Reborn Conner, Cassie runs into his arms, and he says to Robin something to the power of: 'Hey man, thanks for takin' care of Cass for me'.

:-*

XD

That'd be so awesome. Just like something out of a romance novel. Or a really good shoujo manga, but for some reason, the Falling For my Best Friend's Girl has never been an issue in any Mangas I've seen. *makes a note to fix that*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 12:45pm

I could live with someone else taking the AS Starfire role without it truly being Starfire. I'm looking forward to seeing more of the interim team members.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 12:55pm

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Thanks! ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 6, 2006, 1:17pm

Wrong thread AGAIN guys. XD

I keep thinking back to hearing that we would like how this year was going to go. I'll be damned. We may like how the year goes yet.

I'm feeling a lot more faith in the ship and I like the theory of turning new members into the jester's and the like. It's a far better scenario. But things have already changed. We need a "real Slae comes back to fight the Slade that we learn is a clone" storyline. Still, I'm wary. The infringement of the AS so far has me on edge. I'm still a little fearful for Raven.

The future looks a bit brighter though. I'm feeling good now. ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 1:32pm

BB/R CBW has now been posted to the BBxRae Shrine and my blog, if anyone cares.

RE: Miss Martian

She kind of looks like a Sailor Scout in that get up.... Someone else suggested she also kind of looks like Indigo from The Outsiders, and suggested she was really a new Indigo in disguise.

EDIT: ARGH!!! I did it again. I USED THE WRONG THREAD TO START THIS.

But actually, since it was images from a TT issue that started this conversation, I suppose its is in topic for the thread. But still...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 1:37pm

I dont' think anyone really cares.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 2:08pm

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BB/R CBW has now been posted to the BBxRae Shrine and my blog, if anyone cares.

RE: Miss Martian

She kind of looks like a Sailor Scout in that get up.... Someone else suggested she also kind of looks like Indigo from The Outsiders, and suggested she was really a new Indigo in disguise.

EDIT: ARGH!!! I did it again. I USED THE WRONG THREAD TO START THIS.

But actually, since it was images from a TT issue that started this conversation, I suppose its is in topic for the thread. But still...

That would fit in with the cover we saw. Shift turned Indigo into flesh at the end of the Insiders arc. Maybe Luthor or Brainiac did something.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 4:54pm

To help get this thread back on track with the original topic, I present the following segment, heartfully entitled...

"The Ballad of a Brain"

Brain has a sense of humor.

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"Titans together!" ... or not.

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"There is... another..."

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The origin of the Brain retold.

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Boy, you're gonna carry that weight...

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Why?!

The brain loses his head.

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"So what are we going to do tomorrow night?"

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*Sniff.*

Isn't love beautiful and completely sickening all at the same time?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 5:02pm

I'm both completly melted and heebie jeebied. I love that "Kiss me, Mallah" line.

You have to admit, though, Brain wanting to see a sunset with the...primate he loves is sweet. ^^

Why did they take away Mallah's hat in the show? It's cute!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 5:23pm

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I'm both completly melted and heebie jeebied. I love that "Kiss me, Mallah" line.

You have to admit, though, Brain wanting to see a sunset with the...primate he loves is sweet. ^^

Why did they take away Mallah's hat in the show? It's cute!

Am I the only one who thinks Brain's Forehead looks like a butt? And have they given an explanation on who Elephant-man is yet?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 5:29pm

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Yes, but maturity comes faster to some.

Sorry, it's a deffence mechanisim to creepy-ness.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 5:30pm

I think it's cute. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 7:17pm

I'll bet you guys, Caulder and Register know each other. May even have once been colleagues. Which probably means, Caulder also knew Gar's parents.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jul 6, 2006, 7:18pm

DUN DUN DUN!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 7:26pm

I think I saw a scan on another forum of Caulder telling a very young Gar that he knew about his father...

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 8:26pm

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I think I saw a scan on another forum of Caulder telling a very young Gar that he knew about his father...

I think he did. this is digging into the old Doom Patrol series, which I only read about, but I do recall that if nothing else Caulder knew Gar's parents by reputation. Though perhaps it was more than that... or will become more than that...

So is there a Doom Patrol monthly yet?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 8:46pm

A series like that might be fun to write. Kinda Twilight Zoney sort of stories, you know? Although I'd have to reach to get weirder than The Painting That Almost Ate Paris.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 6, 2006, 8:46pm

How long is the Find Raven arc supposed to be? That is the next arc right?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 8:48pm

Yes, it is the next arc. It goes for at least 2 issues. We haven't seen the solicits for October yet, so we can't be sure if it goes for 3 issues or not. I think it's called "Titans Around the World".

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 8:55pm

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A series like that might be fun to write. Kinda Twilight Zoney sort of stories, you know? Although I'd have to reach to get weirder than The Painting That Almost Ate Paris.

Don't forget the talking lemon tree.

SHAMELESS PLUG: Matt Logan can work here. he can work anywhere. Such is the beauty of Matt Logan. He can get his beer from the magical keg.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 6, 2006, 9:02pm

Thanks KT. On a side note, it is me or has it been more than a week since the last 52?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 6, 2006, 9:08pm

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[quote author=kthunter board=titanics thread=1118957472 post=1152236765]

Don't forget the talking lemon tree.

SHAMELESS PLUG: Matt Logan can work here. he can work anywhere. Such is the beauty of Matt Logan. He can get his beer from the magical keg.

Matt wouldn't even notice that things were weird. He'd just take it all in stride.

Kaze -- technically it has, since #8 came out last Wednesday. #9 did come out today. I'm sure it ended up in someone's store yesterday -- just not mine. Some places don't have to wait an extra day on holiday weeks.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 9:23pm

I still haven't looked at 52 #9, so busy as I have been. But I understand there is minimal Titans activity. Some things with Starfire, but that's it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jul 6, 2006, 9:36pm

OOH! DT! I found a story on FF.Net that might interest you and a lot of folks. Check

The reason I think it might interest you is because it makes a connection between The Brain and Dr. Who.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 10:29pm

We need to take some of this conversation over to the information thread.

Getting us back on track again, by request of Kaze, the complete set of pages from the infamous...

"Matt Logan Keg Party"

It begins as any other day would...

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This is actually the first time since the Doom Patrol that Garfield refers to himself as Beastboy; in the mini, everyone kept calling him that but he kept denying the name.

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Icky!

Gar to the rescue!

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If the officer looks familiar, he's the sergeant who appeared several times throughout the Beastboy mini.

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They remember old times.

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The original Titans West, created solely so Bette Kane could meet Dick Grayson.

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The Beerman cometh...

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Since Blue Devil works as a bouncer, he's a good friend to have. Matt Logan knows this.

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Party!

Broom closets hold many secrets.

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While others are distracted, Matt Logan is well aware of what really matters.

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Me and Matt share the same view of Terra.

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As Duela arrives, Matt makes a profound philosophical claim concerning Duela's nature.

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Matt knows it's important for every hero to look sharp when fighting enemies!

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Get ready to rumble!

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Matt is ready with his half-broken beer battle. Evil beware!

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WHAAP!

Another cameo by the police officer.

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Matt has no luck with apartments.

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And thus he dubbed them... TITANS L.A.!

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And here is his very own profile page!

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 6, 2006, 10:35pm

Score, thanks MK. You are a god amonst men.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 6, 2006, 10:49pm

That is perhaps my favorite Matt Moment in the entire mini:

MATT: You got super speed... uh... Ferra?!

TERRA: It's Terra. And no. I'm a geomorph.

MATT: Okay. You're useless.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Jul 6, 2006, 11:18pm

And remember... not too long ago, that story was voted one of the ten best Titans stories ever... right up there with Judas Contract, Terror of Trigon, and Titans of Tomorrow.

It deserves a reprint!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 7, 2006, 12:13am

AHHHHHHHHH!!!! HAWK AND DOOOOOOOOOOOVE!!! *glomps Wiley*

Forget Holly and Dawn. Sasha and Wiley are where it's AT! I own the 97 Hawk and Dove mini and am currently working on some fanart.

Yeah, and I totally dig that story ^^ Even if Titans LA never came about and even if I did like Bette more when she was a rabid Robin fangirl with delusions of granduer. She was more fun like that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jul 7, 2006, 5:59pm

To be honest, I liked the art in those pages, but I didn't care for the art of Matt in the profile page. It just seemed so... off.

One of the funniest things I noticed the first time I saw any of these pages was realizing The Protector, of all people, was actually there at the party. I got a laugh out of that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 7, 2006, 6:31pm

I didnt even know a third of those people. A cast list and descrition for us who dont know whos who please?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 7, 2006, 10:44pm

These are the only ones you need to know:

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Looking at the last panel of the page, starting on the left:

Terra II
Captain Marvel Junior/CM3
Bumblebee
Herald
Dial H for Hero/Hero Cruz
Flamebird
Matt Logan
Gar Logan

And, of course, the ninja who appears on the last page is Bushido.

Other guest appearances included Duela Dent (the "mime"), Hawk and Dove (the ones with wings singing), Jakeen and Thunder (the little kid with dreds and his purple genie), Blue Devil (kinda self-evident who that is), Omen (girl in the red robe), Dollman (the tiny guy), The ray (guy in the black and yellow), Mirage (the girl who was speaking to Terra about Bette), and Mary Marvel (the girl in white who was talking to Freddy).

Oh, and the Protector.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 8, 2006, 8:24am

Jakeen and Thunder, Mirage, Mary Marvel, and Dollman are the ones I didnt know. Whats their story? They used to be titans?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 8, 2006, 9:12am

Mirage was a Titan, same team as Risk and Prism and Joto (who Hot Spot was based on).

Jakeem and Thunder are members of the JSA, but were never Titans.

Mary Marvel is from the same family as Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr.; She shares in the power of Shazam but was never a Titan.

Dollman and Blue Devil were never Titans.

The new Hawk and Dove were never Titans.

The only people who were Titans that were present were Terra, Beastboy, Mirage, Flamebird, Omen, Bumblebee, and Herald. Everyone else was a new potential candidate.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 8, 2006, 10:33am

I though Hawk and Dove were on the team during the OYL stuff. Of course this takes place well before that.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 8, 2006, 11:47am

No, this is a different version of Hawk and Dove.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Jul 8, 2006, 11:58am

They weren't ever on the Titans team. Sasha and Wiley were part of their own mini about 10 years back. They helped out the Titans once or twice, and were shown in one panel of the JLA/Titans crossover The Technis Imperative. Actually, that might have been the last time that they were featured in any comic book. They seem to have disappeared off of the face of the earth.

I still totally love them, though ^^ IMO they are so much more interesting than the current Hawk and Dove.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 8, 2006, 1:55pm

Bushido was a samurai, not a ninja. Totally different.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 8, 2006, 1:59pm

Lah lah lah lah I am not listening lah lah lah lah!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 10, 2006, 12:08pm

Finally read TT 37 and 52# 9 today. I was a bit suprised that the BOE lost so dam fast and they didnt say what they did with them either. But I got to say that Eddie is really growing on me, when I first heard about him coming to the team I read up about the old him and was really worried about it all. But this incarnation of him is great.

Eddie and Rose are a great pair whether they get together or not.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jul 10, 2006, 2:25pm

This is more for the Comics Information thread than the comic dump. Comic dump is a place for scans, information thread is for discussion.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jul 10, 2006, 2:34pm

Well hell, to be honest I still get them mixed up every now and then.

Ignore the tard *shuffels off*

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Jul 10, 2006, 3:44pm

Don't feel bad, Kaze. We get the two threads mixed up all the time!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Aug 5, 2006, 9:27pm

Teen Titans Spotlight #20
Featuring Cyborg
(and Changeling)

Cover
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
Page 4
Page 5
Page 6
Page 7
Page 8
Page 9
Page 10
Page 11
Page 12
Page 13
Page 14
Page 15
Page 16
Page 17
Page 18
Page 19
Page 20
Page 21
Page 22

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Aug 5, 2006, 11:50pm

I picked up the above issue and a bunch of others while in Kalispell, MT. Among the ones I found were a number of issues of Teen Titans Spotlight, which was a series that ran in the mid 1980s highlighting one or two particular TT characters. There's a three issue story with Jericho in there, and the second half of a Starfire story (written by Wolfman). Also some standalone stories featuring Aqualad, Thunder & Lightning, and some others. I haven't looked through the lot yet, but if there's anything worth posting, I'll let you all know.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Aug 12, 2006, 8:53pm

Oh. My. God.

I was going through my download of that complete New Teen Titans bit torrent, and I found... this.

Teeny Titans 01
Teeny Titans 02
Teeny Titans 03
Teeny Titans 04
Teeny Titans 05
Teeny Titans 06
Teeny Titans 07
Teeny Titans 08
Teeny Titans 09
Teeny Titans 10
Teeny Titans 11
Teeny Titans 12
Teeny Titans 13
Teeny Titans 14
Teeny Titans 15

This all came from an even stranger Teen Titans one shot called... Teen Titan$ $ell Out.

Read at your own risk!!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Aug 12, 2006, 9:40pm

That wasn't incense they were burning in the DC offices that day.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Aug 12, 2006, 9:51pm

And so we have discovered the true reason behind Slade Wilson's descent into the dark side:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Aug 12, 2006, 10:31pm

Ah yes... I have read that issue...

It still gives me nightmares to this day.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Aug 21, 2006, 3:56pm

The Doom Patrol, from the last page of Secret Six #3:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by urbanophelia on Aug 21, 2006, 4:03pm

Well, at least Gar's getting some page time in some book.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Aug 23, 2006, 2:49am

Quote:

Well, at least Gar's getting some page time in some book.

But sadly, the next issue of Secret Six may be it for the year, in so far as the "current now" is concerned. Although he will show up in 52 for at least one issue, and probably in flashbacks in Teen Titans dealing with the missing year, so he won't entirely be gone.

There had better be something good waiting for him on the other side of this hiatus.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Aug 23, 2006, 7:41am

Hopefully, Raven will be there.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by bhill68 on May 7, 2007, 11:26am

http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zomggirlfriend4fq0.jpg

I didn't think that this would be apporpriate for the comic info thread and more apporpriate here. This is a little page between Kori and Raven. I think this is supposed to be after the whole Dick/Raven fiasco and to where they actually got closer after that and Kori helped explain to Raven how there are different kinds of love. I wish they would put more things like this in comics, it just enrichs the characters so much more and it's just one page.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on May 24, 2007, 4:32pm

Just because it's my birthday, and I like looking at Gar:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 9, 2007, 2:52pm

Haven't uploaded anything in a long time. [image]

For fun, Matt splashing Bette at the pool.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jun 9, 2007, 3:03pm

Beast Boy sure is furry.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jun 9, 2007, 3:36pm

One of the things I liked about him. A little more realistic. Makes me think Nightwing shaves... everything! No way that boy is naturally hairless. Gar should so jab him about that one. ^^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jun 13, 2007, 12:15pm

Just because Paul Dini is awesomeness, and I'd like to contribute for once, I present, the Greatest. Joker. Entrance. Ever.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jun 13, 2007, 12:47pm

That would have only been better if that last panel had been put on it's own page so that you had to flip a page to see who it was.

And him saying 'Sup is the win.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by bhill68 on Jun 14, 2007, 12:22am

I dunno who I like the new Grant Morrison Joker or the Paul Dini version. The Paul Dini version is the one from Batman TAS, Mark Hammil's version. He is the version I grew up with and is so great.

Grant's is a scary pure sociopath who can be the scariest villian ever. The only verison is him in Grant's prose Batman. That guy though is scary. He has made a gas that can make people laugh so hard their guts literally come out their mouth. So I don't know which is better. I did like the latest Detective Comics

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 7, 2008, 3:49am

I came across a little site called superdickery.com, mainly about how Superman is a dick. And this thing just cracked me up:

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Jan 7, 2008, 8:02am

What I really find funny if Atoms concern over Jean, considering the stuff that happened in Identity Crisis.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 7, 2008, 12:47pm

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Notice how much he's leaving his ward?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by piratechick on Jan 7, 2008, 12:52pm

That's just enough to get a cab back home after the reading of the will. XP

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Jan 7, 2008, 12:53pm

What home?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by piratechick on Jan 7, 2008, 12:55pm

The soup kitchen, of course.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by gregory on Jan 7, 2008, 6:21pm

I find it funnier that he identified Dick as Robin, wrote "(Alias) Batman", and, despite being on the verge of death, drew the Bat-symbol.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jan 21, 2008, 11:51am

well here we go guys.

your thoughts?

TITANS #1
Written by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Ian Churchill & Norm Rapmund
Variant cover by Ethan Van Sciver
A new team of Titans is born in the extra-sized first issue of a new ongoing monthly by Judd Winick (GREEN LANTERN, GREEN ARROW, OUTSIDERS), Ian Churchill & Norm Rapmund (SUPERGIRL, TEEN TITANS EAST SPECIAL)! Someone or something is continuing its attack on anyone who's ever been a Titan, including Nightwing, Starfire, Donna Troy, Beast Boy and Raven.
You won't want to miss this new startling chapter in Titans history that may forge a new team from the ashes of old, dead friends.
Retailers please note: This issue will ship with two covers. For every 10 copies of the Standard Edition (with a cover by Ian Churchill & Norm Rapmund), retailers may order one copy of the Variant Edition (with a cover by Ethan Van Sciver). Please see the Previews Order Form for more information.
On sale April 9 � 40 pg, FC, $3.50 US

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jan 21, 2008, 9:55pm

First thought: Ethan Van Sciver variant cover? Hell. Yes. *drool*

Second thought: ... I'm hungry.

Third thought: Vulcan better be alive or there shall be hell to pay.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jan 22, 2008, 1:43pm

they finally put up pics of the full first cover for titans one

it has all the titans i give a sh*t about......and nightwing

i cant wait, finally a titans issue that im really looking forward to. bout time

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jan 22, 2008, 4:54pm

Yeah, it is. I'm looking forward to it too.

I'm hoping this is one of Judd's books that he gets. When he gets the characters he works with, he can put out some quality stuff. I'm taking some solace in the fact that Ben Morse read the scripts for the first few issues and was pleased with what he saw.

Still, I'm gonna keep tabs on Teen Titans. Now that Blue Beetle is at the least a regular guest star, I've got another character I want to keep track of over there, along with Eddie and Rose.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jan 22, 2008, 7:12pm

ah boo it bleeped my expletive

sigh.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on Jan 23, 2008, 2:08am

Weird, I thought I commented already. o_0 Oh well.

Strange how Cyborg isn't mentioned. Or are they still pretending that he died in the fire from the sky?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jan 23, 2008, 9:38am

hes on the cover so they cant pretend

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kaze on Jan 25, 2008, 5:30pm

am i the only one who read 55 and was really disappointed

the writing and art were both horrible

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by unfunnyjoke on Jan 25, 2008, 5:40pm

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the art was horrible

Yes, I noticed this.

I liked the actual issue though, 'cause I like the odd issue about downtime. Plus, I like Eddie, Rose and am starting to like Beetle and there were so good parts with/about them.

But yes, I wasn't a fan of the artwork at all.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on Jan 25, 2008, 8:38pm

I'll probably pick it up within the next few days. A lot of the artists have trouble drawing Eddie as a teenager, he usually looks a lot older. o.0

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Jan 25, 2008, 9:39pm

Writings fine, but I'm officially sick of Conner angst with Tim and Cassie in any fashion.

Art could have been better. Jamal Igle is talented, but his faces on this one were kinda... lacking. Overall, it could have been better. However, it was just a fill in thing.

Eddy Barrows is back on regular art duties next month, so the art will be back up to snuff. I think Barrows does a decent enough job with Kid Devil; I doubt the character is all too easy to draw.

Either way, his art is pretty decent, and as long as Sean McKeever keeps things going well, I'll still be onboard for Teen Titans. Kid Devil, Blue Beetle and Rose are big draws to the book for me now; they keep me around even without the older Titans. I'm kinda sick of Tim and Cassie though. Literally tired of them.

Hopefully next months issue picks things up.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Feb 4, 2008, 2:12am

Figured I'd post some scans here of Azrael.

I guess there's really no sense denying it. I'm a huge Jean Paul Valley fan. Azrael is one of my absolute favorite Batman supporting characters. The Avenging Angel deserves his time back in the spotlight, and I look forward to the day he returns to the fold of superheroes once more.

Jean Paul was presumably "killed" in the last issue of his solo book, issue #100 of "Azrael". But there was never any body found. As we know, the golden comic book rule is "No body; the guys alive".

Part of what has always fascinated me about Azrael is the very dynamic of the character. He's literally a hero with multiple personality disorder. He was raised and trained since birth to be a warrior that is willing to kill. Normally he is Jean Paul Valley, but when he puts on the mask, another, darker personality takes over. Of Azrael. The Avenging Angel. Jean is rarely in control of Azrael, yet he wants to do good. So he struggles with this. It's very much the crux of his solo, along with other assorted tales.

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Jean Paul was once Batman when Bruce was broken by Bane. But the System, a brainwashing his father forced upon him since he was born, takes over whenever he puts on a mask. He becomes more violent and willing to kill, a different personality Jean cannot control. It drove him insane during his time as Batman, and Bruce was forced to take his mantle back.

Jean was left a broken man and wandered for a time, searching for his own place in the world and identity, shamed by how he acted when he was Batman. Eventually, he found himself again and took up his job as Azrael, struggling to control it. He was brainwashed with the skills of an assasain since birth, there was little else he could do with his life but use the skills to help others.

These scans correlate how things were for Batman and Azrael for the longest time after Jean screwed up as Batman. He was always seeking the Bat's approval, but deep down, you know Bruce felt guilty for having Jean Paul stuffed into the costume before he was ready and setting him down a path he could never turn back from. It don't think it's a stretch to say Bruce wanted Jean to fail, if only so the poor college kid could find some balance and go to better places in his life. You can see it in his face on the second to last panel of the first page...

But Jean could never walk away. All he wanted was Batman's approval, after all he had done to screw up...

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I love how... almost happy the bat clan is here. In the midst of No Mans Land, almost the entire bat clan is congregated in these scans, aside from the fringes of the clan, Huntress and Catwoman. I wish there were more times like this. Especially with Azrael among the clan, as a part of it. Maybe more are to come soon enough.

We definitely need a book where the Bat clan regularly team up to take on cases. Rotate members of the clan in the book. The return of "Batman Family"? Sounds good to me. Just give it a better name. XD

Alas, if we are to get such, it would be a while from now...

For now, heres the first meeting of Cassandra Cain, soon to become Batgirl, and Azrael, along with the bat gathering.

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Here are some scans with Azrael with Batgirl at Christmas time. This took place during No Mans Land, when Gotham was completely destroyed by an earthquake. This was when he was in his second costume, which was cool, but not as awesome as his normal outfit.

It's all in issue #61 of Azrael.

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Scans from Azrael #64, the storyline called "The Mask", ahead.

Azrael kills a man in self defense, a big no-no when you're an agent of Batman, considering his no kill policy. He takes off the mask, and as Jean Paul, see's exactly what it is he's done.
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Huntress shows up, and Jean Paul cannot refute what he's done. He's ashamed, because he's broken Batmans cardinal rule, in self defense or not. He had already screwed up royally during his time as Batman, bringing shame to the cowl, and strongly believes Bruce could never forgive him a second time. So he does the insensible thing. The only thing he can think to do. He puts on the mask.
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And soon, there is only Azrael.
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He goes to Doctor Leslie Thompkins. She had been kind to him in the past. It was the only person he could know to go to.
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Of all things, she tells a broken man, reaching out for help, with a bit of personality disorder, that she basically believes he was capable of killing. It seems his last hope is crushed, so he dons the mask once more, and Azrael leaves the doctor behind.
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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 5, 2008, 12:09am

Could anyone get me scans of the issue/scene where Brain and Mallah get killed by another big monkey? Please and thank you!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on May 5, 2008, 2:21am

Ask and ye shall recieve.

[spoiler=Monkey Fight] [image]

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Even I have to admit their death is oddly, disturbingly touching. And Grodd got his just desserts in the end too. Heh, Joker.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 5, 2008, 2:41am

Was that the end of the scene? And the last we see of Brain and Mallah?

But seriously... "I die happy, my love, for I know we can finally be together!" How much shoujo was this guy watching?

I mean, really, how much more "together" can they get? Okay, get the problem with the physical side, status quo, they were as together as they're going to be in the Afterlife.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 11, 2008, 9:06pm

Well, I had it, so in case anyone wants to read it.

[spoiler=The Soul of a New Machine] [image]

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Or the Photobucket slideshow album: Doom Patrol 34

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on May 11, 2008, 10:52pm

Well if that doesn't kill the mood I don't know what does.

Heh XD That was most interesting. All I'd ever seen was that "Kiss me Mallah!" scan. Thanks for posting that!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on May 11, 2008, 11:10pm

I should have figured it was Grant Morrison who first truly introduced the Brain/Mallah thing. I should have seen the signs. It's so twisted it HAD to be his idea. XD

"Finally we meet in open combat!"
*clink*
"This is ridiculous!"

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 12, 2008, 12:48am

May 11, 2008, 10:52pm, kryptocow wrote:

Well if that doesn't kill the mood I don't know what does.

Heh XD That was most interesting. All I'd ever seen was that "Kiss me Mallah!" scan. Thanks for posting that!

That's the case with most people, I think. Was for me until I downloaded it.

And it's SO much funnier in context. XD The buildup alone had me LOLing all over.

May 11, 2008, 11:10pm, dl316bh wrote:

I should have figured it was Grant Morrison who first truly introduced the Brain/Mallah thing. I should have seen the signs. It's so twisted it HAD to be his idea. XD

"Finally we meet in open combat!"
*clink*
"This is ridiculous!"

I wanna know what the thought process was. I mean, it's so EPIC, and they kept it canon, for heaven sakes. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on May 12, 2008, 12:54am

With Grant, who the hell knows? That could have easily been from his drug using days and the **** could have been really good the night he wrote that scene. Or maybe he WAS trying to make some sort of statement. Hell, it could have been done just because he felt it would be good and fit into the overall weirdness that permeated his run. XD

If I ever get the chance to see Grant Morrison in person (missed the chance at NYCC thanks to restrictions on number of autographs), that should be a question for me to ask him. Now I'm curious too.

Quote:

I mean, it's so EPIC, and they kept it canon, for heaven sakes. XD

DC's much more respectful of Grants work than Marvel was. For the most part, whatever he does they keep in continuity. The only exception was Byrnes run on Doom Patrol that retconned out all previous versions of the Doom Patrol including Grants run, but they were just desperate to have the property viable again at that point after all the attempts to follow the Morrison continuity failed.

Marvel, on the other hand, retconned most of his New X-Men run out almost the second he left the book Which is disgusting. It was the best run the X-Men had seen in years and is the best since.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 12, 2008, 1:09am

Don't get me wrong. I absolutely LOVE this issue, and want to meet him just to get his thought process. Nevermind it's about the only Doom Patrol issue casual readers remember.

Shame, because he did some crazy schist in that mess. If he has any ideas about what happened in between their last appearance and #34, I'd give my index finger to hear it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on May 12, 2008, 1:21am

It'd be quite the conversation, I'm sure. He's very candid about things. I was at the spotlight panel for him at New York Comic Con, and he talked about how at one point in his thirties, he decided he wanted to try all of the things out there in the world instead of staying sheltered, hence the drugs and how he felt it influenced some of his early work.

He's a very interesting man, which is why I hope I get to talk to him in person one day.

His Doom Patrol was classic. I've read several issues and as far as I'm concerned it's the definitive take. The property would be much more successful these days if someone could come up with things on that level of freakishness.

That was the first time I'd seen that issue, however, so thanks for posting it. I think I'm starting to get acclimated to this ship. It doesn't bother me much anymore. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 12, 2008, 1:25am

Anything to drag more people into my twisted world. ^w^ If I find anymore that I find especially awesome, I'll post them.

Seriously, the only way I'd ever work for DC is if they let me create a Brain and Mallah title. Fill in those blanks for all their disappearances. And how they actually fell for each other. Both are too smart to do so carelessly. *sigh* I hate it when they forget to tell a story.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on May 12, 2008, 1:31am

I dunno about a Brain and Mallah title, but they might let it go for Doom Patrol. I could actually picture you writing that book anyways. You get some twisted ideas sometimes, so you could put the freak back into such a book; and get to do your BrainxMallah at the same time.

Filling in the blanks would be good, actually. I don't even think anyone ever explained their reappearance. For all we know, the two could have been brought back by some reality altering event like Zero Hour or something. But that would be the fanon explanation anyways; it's far more likely someone used them without remembering they exploded and DC decided "the hell with it" and kept them around.

Heh. If I ever get to do my own comic universe like I hope someday, a team of freaks is something on the to do list. Though I don't think I could ever top love between a disembodied brain and a gorilla on the weird or freakish scale. Only Grant Morrison.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 12, 2008, 1:36am

I'd have to do a villian-centric issue, at least. And you gotta wonder just how awkward things were after that KABOOM until their reappearance.

My fan-theory is that the Brain waited until he had a body to confess because to do otherwise would be an unfair burden on Mallah, who he was ALREADY burdening with his very handicapped existance.

Then what happens? KABOOM. Kiss that body goodbye, and neither even gets a smooch for the trouble.

*sigh* So much potential.

But yes, I would bring the freak back to the Doom Patrol. Also the Negative Man, cause I like him! Get Rita to drop that tool she's married to and get back to the ones that love her.

Probably the only reason Negative Man gave up on her is his radioactive skin. He can't even show his face without melting people. Probably same for Robot Man. They step aside for Mento, who's actually a semi-normal human. I sense a paralell with Brain/Mallah.

And the villians are the ones who persevere. Guess beign a bad guy makes you an optimist.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 13, 2008, 4:01pm

I believe you. You would be a good Doom Patrol writer.

Then again, I think the Brothers Chaps of Homestar Runner would do pretty good too, since the Homestar cartoons are so... out there, but in a good way.

I mean, check out Strong Bad E-Mail, and it's spin-offs, such as Teen Girl Squad, be sure to look for them easter eggs!!

Now, if you bothered with all those links, you'll see that the Chapman Brothers would be great at wacky stuff!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 13, 2008, 4:06pm

Morrison's Doom Patrol wasn't really wacky. More strange and surreal, yet making a strange sort of sense within its own reality.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on May 13, 2008, 4:18pm

That discribes this stuff to a T.

You obviously didn't watch the movies.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 14, 2008, 1:58am

I have no time for random links! I have 3 more tests to take!

I'll just read my own post again for a little pick-me-up. Nothing eases the stress like a lengthy philosophic discussion between ape and brain, followed by LOVE CONFESSIONS!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on May 19, 2008, 10:02pm

Over at Scans Daily on LJ linkara has been posting Titans scans from back in the day. Some Gar and Rae, but not a lot. Still, good reading.
"These Were My Titans"
Part 1, Cyborg takes over the moon
Part 2, new team!
Part 3, let's all go to hell!

Part 4, Drugs are bad. Also, shiny gold Raven!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on May 19, 2008, 10:07pm

I gotta try that World Peace thing sometime. XD

Gotta love Gar's loving, tender way of getting through to Vic. ::)

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on May 19, 2008, 10:15pm

May 19, 2008, 10:02pm, kryptocow wrote:

Over at Scans Daily on LJ linkara has been posting Titans scans from back in the day. Some Gar and Rae, but not a lot. Still, good reading.
"These Were My Titans"
Part 1, Cyborg takes over the moon
Part 2, new team!
Part 3, let's all go to hell!

Part 4, Drugs are bad. Also, shiny gold Raven!

For all the crap Devin Grayson gets, she pulled off Gar very well, and at the very least the characters all seemed like they had lives and relationships beyond being mere heroes.

EDIT: And at least she used Lian in a role other than helpless victim to a child sex slave trader. Those who don't know that one, guess. He's ruining our favorite characters as we speak.

EDIT: Actually, Devin wasn't too shabby, she just had this tendency to decompress stories from what I understand.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Aug 30, 2008, 7:48pm

[spoiler=Another little gem from Superdickery] [image]

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Hmmmm....... Out of context, makes ya think the Rob/Rae's are onta somethin'.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Aug 30, 2008, 8:48pm

Not really. When context is removed, you can make a lot of comic panels mean anything you want them to. This is the golden rule of places like Superdickery and scans_daily; they thrive off it. Really, without such a strange hobby, niether community would exist.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Aug 30, 2008, 9:47pm

I know, but it's still funny I think.

*chuckles* What if someone did a remake of this panel, text and all? Only with BB in Dick's place?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kryptocow on Sept 4, 2008, 8:44am

*snerk*

Ok, I am immature and find that hilarious. XDDD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Sept 10, 2008, 12:43am

Thought I'd post it, from the comic I mentioned in the other thread, Dr. Thirteen: Architects and Mortality, where heroes about to cease to exist or be seriously retconned try to fight against some of DC's real world writers.

Batman mask = Grant Morrison
Wonder Woman mask = Greg Rucka
Superman mask = Geoff Johns
Flash mask = Mark Waid

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I didn't post it, but the actual vampire that is there with them tries to save himself by saying he's gay in response to their argument that he has no wrinkle in his character.

Sorry, Suki, beat you to it.

Real life photos for reference.

Grant Morrison

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Greg Ruka

Geoff Johns

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Mark Waid

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Nov 22, 2008, 12:25pm

Okay, I got the latest issue of Tiny Titans yesterday, and I saw some pages that I thought You all would enjoy! ^_^

The over-arching plot of the issue is that Beppo the Super-Chimp got his mitts on Zatara's magic wand and turned everyone into monkeys.

SCREW THE SPOILERS!!!

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp305....pg?t=1227376041

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp305....pg?t=1227375995

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp305....pg?t=1227375591

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Nov 22, 2008, 12:32pm

FWAH! MAI BOIZ! *flail*

Aw... Brain's getting dumped. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Mar 5, 2009, 5:05pm

Okay, it's not an official DC thing, but I just had to post this somewhere, and the TT FanArt thread didn't really seem valid.

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Terry's so CUUUUUTE!!!!! ^_^

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Mar 9, 2009, 5:09pm

IGN has posted a preview of Titans #11. (anyone notice that IGN and not Newsarama has been getting a lot of the advance previews from DC lately?)

http://io9.com/photogallery/titans11preview/

No Gar or Raven in the preview, but from the tone of the first few pages, it looks like this is going to be a "down time" issue. Thus, I expect we'll see something about Gar at DP headquarters (possibly hinting at the upcoming Giffen DP series), and perhaps Raven at her school.

EDIT:
Um, in light of the fallout in regards to Scans Daily, especially considering that rumors are flying that TPTB might not be stopping at SD, I think I may be laying off posting any scans from Titans #11 this week. While I'm pretty certain I'm still on the "fair use" side of the argument, right now might not be the best time to stir that particular hornet's nest.

I might reconsider if there's something incredibly 'shippy, though. But if is, it will just be for that image.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Mar 9, 2009, 5:27pm

Porter's art is improving by leaps and bounds

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Mar 9, 2009, 5:32pm

Yes, I agree. Kory looked GORGEOUS in those previews.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by kthunter on Mar 9, 2009, 5:54pm

Indeed! I am actually kinda sorta looking forward to it now

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by bhill68 on Mar 10, 2009, 5:34am

Is it me though or did her speech remind me of Starfire from the AS? I dont know, its been a while since I read a W/P era Titans, but it seemed to remind me of the AS Starfire.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Mar 10, 2009, 9:51am

Yeah, I thought so too. Her speech is strangely reminiscent of it.

By the way, this is the comic dump thread. The Info thread is one below.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Mar 10, 2009, 10:21am

Mar 10, 2009, 9:51am, plissken wrote:

Yeah, I thought so too. Her speech is strangely reminiscent of it.

By the way, this is the comic dump thread. The Info thread is one below.

D'oh!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by k9thefirst1 on Mar 10, 2009, 3:57pm

This, is by far the Creepiest Joker ever.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Mar 10, 2009, 4:28pm

Mar 10, 2009, 3:57pm, k9thefirst1 wrote:

This, is by far the Creepiest Joker ever.

I know so many fangirls that would go crazy over that page.

Hide it. Quickly. In fact, let's just burn it.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Apr 8, 2009, 2:10am

If anyone knows what comic this page is from, please let me know:

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Apr 8, 2009, 9:54am

Original Doom Patrol it looks like. Probably pre-80's, anyway. That's when Mallah started showing up with the vest and ammo belt. You'll have to look through the entire originalseries to find it though, you silly wanker!

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Apr 8, 2009, 10:06am

It's a start. I think there's a torrent with all the first run of Doom Patrol.

Thanks, Plicky. I'll letcha know if it's as silly as I hope.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by phantomsiren on Apr 9, 2009, 3:36pm

Found it! Turns out it wasn't Doom Patrol at all. Rather the Swamp Thing Annual #3.

It's a very silly comic replete with monkeys! Lots of monkeys from all sorts of comic I'd never heard of.

Also Gorilla Grodd. Shoulda known he'd be part of it. *sniff* Killer. T-T

Anyway, here are the pages featuring Mallah and the Brain. There are more, but those get into the actual story and interactions with other characters. And who wants that, right?

[spoiler=Click for Monkeys]
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Give you an idea of what it's about.

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Apparently, Mallah smokes. SOOOO French!

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He deserved it. The human, not the Brain.

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This whole page had me laughing. The Brain's dialogue is enough to set me into peals.

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And this was BEFORE Morrison's confession scene.
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The end.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Nov 3, 2009, 11:38am

For Debby, though maybe he saw it by now, Azrael in BN.

By the way, any more comic scans, put them here and within spoiler tags.

http://pics.livejournal.com/pyrotwilight/pic/00179p2s

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Nov 3, 2009, 11:41am

Thanks Plicky.

Azrael actually looks pretty bitchin' as a Black Lantern, which helps soften the blow.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Nov 3, 2009, 11:57am

Yeah, and I did enjoy the Scarecrow's little bit. Likes like Fear wasn't the only thing that was purged from him over the years. And since Batman is the only thing he fears, it adds a new dimension to him, in that facing against Batman is probably the only thing that can make him feel any emotion at all and break his apathy.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Nov 3, 2009, 12:25pm

I like the bit with Scarecrow too. It makes sense, really. Something that alters emotions and the like so heavily having a long term effect from overexposure just sounds right. It feels like a natural direction to take said classic Batman rogue. I wonder why no one ever thought of it before Geoff.

It will definitely make future encounters between the two more interesting.

By the way, did you ever get the feeling that Geoff might be looking to take a crack at Batman some time in the future? He seems to like using cameos from the Bats world in Green Lantern and such.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Nov 3, 2009, 12:56pm

Yeah, I like Scarecrow, so this new dimension for him is welcomed.

It would not shock me, he's had his hand in so much of DC that the Bat was eventually going to come up. I mean, he's already had some hand in Bat-continuity in other ways--he saved Dick Grayson from death, probably the biggest thing he could have done for the Bat-family. He's having a popular Superman run, and the Green Lantern Corps. has never been so awesome. So I'm sure he's coming up.

You know, thinking about it... does the game Assassin's Creed take a lot of tropes from Azrael? Besides some similarities in design, in AC aren't you also an enforcer-assassin working for a pseudo-religious secret society that believes its actions are protecting the innocent and punishing the wicked?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Nov 3, 2009, 1:16pm

I hope so. Geoff on the Bat family would be superb. He'd make the perfect follow-up to Morrison. Or hell, assuming Morrison doesn't leave the Bat family - he himself says he's having fun with the mythos and that unless he's kicked off he's probably going to stick with it - imagine the tag team of Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison guiding the Bat family. I think I'd have a heart attack from the awesome.

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You know, thinking about it... does the game Assassin's Creed take a lot of tropes from Azrael? Besides some similarities in design, in AC aren't you also an enforcer-assassin working for a pseudo-religious secret society that believes its actions are protecting the innocent and punishing the wicked?

Actually, yeah, Azrael and Assassins Creed share a lot of similarities. The lone warrior from his order. The warrior eventually turns his back on the order. Pseudo-religions righteousness. In fact, both the Templars and the Assassins guild actually share common elements with the Order of St. Dumas, which is the order that hypnotically programmed Jean to be a killing machine to serve their religious crusades for righteousness and punishing the wicked.

At best, perhaps the character influenced it. At worst, it's an interesting coincidence, to say the least.

Speaking of Assassins Creed, I know some people thought Altair was kind of dry, but I liked him as a character.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Nov 3, 2009, 1:48pm

Eh. I guess. I dunno, that game itself was a little weird to me.

Altair did have some development during the game, I agree with that--I felt as a character, he went from being a bastard killing machine who just did what he did because he was good at it, to a true believer in righteousness and justice and who understood the truth of his vows, and yet one who also came to recognize the hypocrisy of the people he served and was willing to take them down, not just out of vengeance for being his master's pawn, but because it was right.

I though especially it was significant that your fellow assassin from the beginning intro--the one who rats you out for breaking your code--ends up respecting you and fighting beside you as you went after your master. Showed that Altair also changed in the eyes of his peers as well as the gamer.

Again, I get inklings of Azrael in all of it. It could have been a coincidence--much of the game itself was based on historical fact and historical conspiracy theory--Altair's Assassins were based on an actual existing secret society that had the same code, and one of its leaders had actually been quotes as saying: "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." So Altair's character and Azrael's character are in and of themselves almost natural extensions of the story.

Review of the rest of the game, however, within:

[spoiler]I mean, it had a lot of cool platforming aspects, but I felt you did mostly the same thing in every city with a rather slow and gradual new elements being introduced (like archers on roofs), but nothing significant by the end of it. All that intel you gather that gives you unique approaches, but few if any were necessary to completing the assassination or making your escape (most the time I found a way of doing it on my own, and escaping never gave me much of an issue). I mean... enter city, climb atop viewpoints, save citizens, pickpocket, listen in on conversations, etc. pretty much every city. The formula became glaringly obvious by the second city, and that took a lot of gusto out of the game.

I think the game could have benefited more from having assassinations opened a little more (give the NPC's more routines to follow, have a night/day progression so we can try and get them at night), make us have to move between multiple cities for various intel or leads, and having other secondary objectives--sabotaging weapon caches, stealing treasures, killing minor underlings and bosses, etc.

My final verdict on Assassin's Creed--it was a good start, but it wasn't much more than a start. Even the plot sort of just ends right at the climax--pretty literally, you're left trapped in your prison room while the bad guys go off to do their thing. Sure, Altair himself sort of achieves his own objective, but even there you see the orb open, you see the map of various locations, and... well whatever happened to Altair and the Assassin's Society after all the leadership was wiped out?

The sequel bait was a little too much, I felt like for all the time the game took, it just ended in the middle of everything. Not that every loose end had to be tied up, but maybe ending with Desmond escaping his captivity or something... and before you say that spoils the sequel, in the sequel Desmond has escaped captivity already with a fellow Assassin, and you work with the Assassins, who use their own version of the animus device.[/spoiler]

Good game, but needed more to it than what we got. I'm hoping they learned from that in AC2, and that AC2 gives us more variety, not just in the gadgets and weapons we may use, but in terms of missions and objectives to accomplish.

Oh, and because its awesome...

BAT-LASERS!

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Nov 3, 2009, 2:08pm

Nov 3, 2009, 1:48pm, plissken wrote:

I though especially it was significant that your fellow assassin from the beginning intro--the one who rats you out for breaking your code--ends up respecting you and fighting beside you as you went after your master. Showed that Altair also changed in the eyes of his peers as well as the gamer.

That's another thing that reminded me of Azrael. At the start of his solo, he was broken; he'd failed as Batman and the Bat family in general didn't like him. But he looked to prove himself to Batman and the rest of them. Prove he could change and not just be a product of what St. Dumas wanted him to be.

Here's some scans from the Azrael ongoing to give some context and just to post some scans.

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An acceptance he eventually got as he became a member of the Bat family proper.

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From a Christmas issue during No Mans Land:

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Azrael is framed and worries that all the acceptance he's worked for will be gone.

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Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Nov 6, 2009, 11:23am

Wow.

According to preliminary figures from Diamond, DC had the top 6 best selling titles in October.

http://www.diamondcomics.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=3&s=5&ai=88588

What's more, the sales differences between Marvel and DC were not that far apart, less than 3%.

DC is actually catching up to Marvel? I doubt that will last, but you never know -- people seem more pleased with DC lately than Marvel.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Nov 6, 2009, 12:26pm

It would not shock me, personally. Marvel has been shaky for a while now. In particular, their event books have been critically panned more than DC's lately. I mean, looking just at the top ten books, Blackest Night dominates the list--three total, though five if you include the Green Lantern Books since of course the story is central there right now (41 was the prelude to Blackest Night, and 47 is part of the event).

So despite some internet critics and disgruntled fans, Blackest Night seems to have been a success thus far.

I think its also because of the shift in general audience's tastes--fantasy, the supernatural, and sci-fi are becoming popular lately, thanks to shows like Ghost Hunters and Battlestar Galactica, and films like Harry Potter and Twilight.

In general, I think DC does a better job of doing that, or at least its perceived that DC has more of an idealized universe whereas Marvel incorporates more real-world conflict into theirs.

DC also has people like Johns and Morrison who do go all out with the fantastic and the imaginary.

But people are looking for escapism right now, and believing a man can fly and that a Dark Knight is watching over them is what people seem to want right now.

So maybe this is good news for DC.

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I also feel that Marvel is still feeling fallout over One More Day, because I'm seeing some resurgence of criticism surrounding it, as well as other recent moments. Those fans are vocal. They've also been reinforced with things like Chameleon sleeping with Parker's flatmate (which was, well, rape), and even Peter doing it with Black Cat, which many found a little creepy since Parker knows its Felicia, but Felicia doesn't know Spidey is Parker, yet Parker showed not even a moment of pause that he'd be taking advantage of one of his close friends... I saw a lot people get turned off by that.

While I don't really care, personally (I'm not following Spider-man), I found it hilarious that when Marvel announced Black Cat's appearance coming up, I teased Debby Cakes that Black Cat was going to be nothing more than Spider-man's sex toy.

And... the next cover we get is Felicia in a Spidey shirt straddling diamonds, and then the two of them screwing each other in a supposed moment of passion! So, yay for me! I inadvertently called it! [image]

So, hah! Hah, Debby! I laugh at you, laugh at you and Horny Cat! [image]

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Nov 6, 2009, 2:11pm

Geez, I post Azrael scans and no one seems interested. Ya'll don't understand the awesome of Jean Paul. XP

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I also feel that Marvel is still feeling fallout over One More Day, because I'm seeing some resurgence of criticism surrounding it, as well as other recent moments. Those fans are vocal.

They're also inconsequential. Amazing Spider-Man is doing better than it has in a long, long time. Sales are consistantly damn good, it's the top subscription title and has been for what seems like forever and the trades do very well. Not to mention the series has been getting some critical acclaim; reviews have been damn good or months and months now, with the only dip being the Who is Ben Reilly story, which deals with the minefield that is the Clone Saga. Those folks are a vocal minority these days.

No, I think part of the problem is actually Dark Reign. A lot of people are completely and utterly sick of the mega storyline running through the line. The other part is Bendis. His comics sell consistantly great, but the second folks heard of Siege, the next event he's doing, they groaned so loudly that you could hear it across the world. Folks have been burnt too many times.

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even Peter doing it with Black Cat, which many found a little creepy since Parker knows its Felicia, but Felicia doesn't know Spidey is Parker, yet Parker showed not even a moment of pause that he'd be taking advantage of one of his close friends... I saw a lot people get turned off by that.

Those same people are seeing what they want to see and did not read the storyline. Felicia wanted it that way. She remembers knowing his identity and it causing problems. She missed the excitement behind the mask. Spider-Man was worrying about it, she was perfectly fine with it. There was no "taking advantage of", but some fans so desperately want to hate the current comics - simply because Marvel got rid of a stupid marriage that did nothing but destroy the character for twenty years - that they'll nitpick ANYTHING.

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While I don't really care, personally (I'm not following Spider-man), I found it hilarious that when Marvel announced Black Cat's appearance coming up, I teased Debby Cakes that Black Cat was going to be nothing more than Spider-man's sex toy.

I don't recall disagreeing or thinking that was a bad thing. XD

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by detroyes on Nov 7, 2009, 1:12am

Nov 6, 2009, 2:11pm, dl316bh wrote:

There was no "taking advantage of", but some fans so desperately want to hate the current comics - simply because Marvel got rid of a stupid marriage that did nothing but destroy the character for twenty years

??

I thought you disliked OMD/BND and getting rid of the marriage?

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by plissken on Nov 7, 2009, 2:13am

No, he was one of the supporters.

I didn't mind ejecting the marriage, I just though the way they did it--what with Peter making a deal with the devil, you know an incarnation of evil--was slapped together, poorly written, ill-conceived, dumb, and gets worse every time I read it.

Unless you or KT feel otherwise, I don't know if there was anyone who was a Peter/MJ purist who went ape sh*t over it. I admit I was upset that one of the most iconic of comic relationships had been dismantled, but nothing much beyond that.

I never got into Spider-man or developed an emotional attachment to it, so that's why I never raged out about it.

I chalk that mostly up to the Clone Saga--when I was first getting interested into comics, that was going on. Since Spider-man was on TV and I enjoyed, I thought I'd like the comic... instead I was confused and thought the writing and story suck. In fact, I think Maximum Clonage was the first bit of Spider-man I ever read.

Put a bad taste in my mouth, and wasn't really ever interested in Spider-man again.

Actually, it was probably because of Spider-man that I started getting drawn toward DC, so I should thank Spider-man in part for letting me discover the Titans and such.

Re: The Titans Comic Dump
Post by dl316bh on Nov 7, 2009, 10:29am

Nov 7, 2009, 1:12am, detroyes wrote:

Nov 6, 2009, 2:11pm, dl316bh wrote:

??

I thought you disliked OMD/BND and getting rid of the marriage?

Pre-BND I wasn't really that big a Spider-Man fan. All I knew is that they were breaking up one of the iconic marriages in the comics. Which didn't sit well with me.

Then I got into Spider-Man comics. Read the stuff before and after the marriage. The stuff after the marriage blew. The supporting cast disappeared - MJ basically BECAME the whole of the supporting cast - the whole thing was awkward and the drama was gone. Then, to inject drama, MJ became a tool about the Spider-Man stuff. It was awful. Seriously, when JMS couldn't even make the damn thing work, you know you have a problem. The marriage needed to go.

Then, it did. BND. All the classic elements back. Supporting cast back. The stories became fun. The writers seemed to actually be enjoying themselves (whereas pre-OMD it seemed more like a chore). I don't think it's a coincidence.

Really, the Venom stories were the best thing to come out of the marriage era and Marvel summarily ran him into the ground. The early Venom stories are also a good view into the descent of the quality of the Spider-Man comics. The Alien Costume saga was pre-marriage. Venom was right after, the second one was later. Then Maximum Carnage, where Mary Jane was at the point where I just wanted her to go the **** away.

So I'm of this mind; the marriage had twenty years and hundreds of comics and no one made it work. At some point, you just wash your hands of it. Spider-Man hasn't been this good in ages, so they made the right call.

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I just though the way they did it--what with Peter making a deal with the devil, you know an incarnation of evil--was slapped together, poorly written, ill-conceived, dumb, and gets worse every time I read it.

One thing I'll admit is that for a coda to the marriage era, OMD really blew. Didn't really celebrate what (little) good there was to it. But I've always looked at it like ripping the band-aid off quick and getting it over with.

Either way, the beauty of it is that the second the retcon happened, it was retconned out of continuity. One of the ongoing mysteries is how everyone in the world forgot Spider-Mans identity - and no, it's not Mephisto anymore - and what it was that broke up Peter and Mary Janes long standing relationship (the marriage never went as planned, but they didn't let it stop them and lived together as though they were). The Mephisto deal technically didn't happen.

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I never got into Spider-man or developed an emotional attachment to it, so that's why I never raged out about it.

I chalk that mostly up to the Clone Saga--when I was first getting interested into comics, that was going on. Since Spider-man was on TV and I enjoyed, I thought I'd like the comic... instead I was confused and thought the writing and story suck. In fact, I think Maximum Clonage was the first bit of Spider-man I ever read.

Put a bad taste in my mouth, and wasn't really ever interested in Spider-man again.

Give Brand New Day a try in trade. It's a lot more fun than Spider-Mans been in decades. It gets even better as it goes along. The series has been on an absolute roll lately.